Fox guy made plan to pay for the Trump Wall.

He indicated America buys oil from Mexico for about $47 per barrel (?). He indicated send them $45 and the remaining $2 goes to an escrow account for border security. That $2 per barrel translates to $2 million per day. Trump wall paid for.

Mexico says no? The cost to ship to China and Russia is greater than $2 per barrel. The only choice is to take the cut rate for America.

Sounds like an elegant plan. Maybe Trump's attitude about finding a way to pay for the wall is easy after all. Phone Post 3.0

Love it! Phone Post 3.0

You don't even need a wall.

Just make the punishment for hiring illegal immigrants more than anyone is willing to risk. It will almost police itself.

Glovegate - You don't even need a wall.

Just make the punishment for hiring illegal immigrants more than anyone is willing to risk. It will almost police itself.


They face almost no punishment at all.  But unfortunately our economy is not geared for having no illegals.  As soon as we have to start paying $15/pound for our fruits and vegatables, everyone would be screaming for the illegals to come back.

Isn't one of the problems that the majority over stay visas and work permits? Isn't that the growing number instead of making the illegal journey here. I don't think a wall is probably a waste Phone Post 3.0

Santros - Isn't one of the problems that the majority over stay visas and work permits? Isn't that the growing number instead of making the illegal journey here. I don't think a wall is probably a waste Phone Post 3.0
I think the wall is a waste * Phone Post 3.0

You don't need a wall of you enforce the actual laws in place. But congress doesn't give a shot about the present laws, just about making more laws. Phone Post 3.0

Soup and Beer - 
Glovegate - You don't even need a wall.

Just make the punishment for hiring illegal immigrants more than anyone is willing to risk. It will almost police itself.


They face almost no punishment at all.  But unfortunately our economy is not geared for having no illegals.  As soon as we have to start paying $15/pound for our fruits and vegatables, everyone would be screaming for the illegals to come back.


This is penny wise and pound foolish. The presence of illegals is a net negative. Illegals consume far more in services than they contribute.

We'd be better off paying those higher prices instead of what we have now.

They may be helping us save on agricultural prices, but the presence of the illegals costs us a ton more in other ways.

Illegals drive healthcare prices through the roof. They get their medical care in the ER, where they give a different name every time and skip out on the bill. Who do you think pays for that? The middle class, and those who employ them.

Most importantly, this kills those who have no health insurance. The bill you get if you have no insurance and give a real name is jacked up beyond belief to pay for all of the illegals who skip out. We've seen threads on this forum where other OGers have received crushing bills.

They are also crushing the school systems. Yes, the property owners of the places they rent pay property/school taxes. But illegals tend to live stacked like cordwood in small apartments containing 10-12 people. They are shitting out children like rats, while actual citizens are having far fewer children. We get stuck with pretty much all the costs.

Finally, the illegals are doing physical labor with no savings for retirement. When they get hurt/old, who do you think is going to pay for them? That's right, us.

I'll take a $12 gallon of orange juice over the shit that it going on now any day.

Shouldn't the free market decide the price of oil ?

Plus the government of the usa does not buy oil from the government of Mexico.

Private companies buy and sell it. How exactly are you going to enforce payment of this ? This sounds a lot like communism to me.

Government outlawing the private sale of oil, now you can only buy oil through the government and they set payment terms. You really think this is a GOOD idea ? Phone Post 3.0

Why would the Mexican government agree to that?

A wall does nothing to address airplanes, boats, cars, tunnels, or ladders. It's a fool's solution. Phone Post 3.0

Soup and Beer -
Glovegate - You don't even need a wall.

Just make the punishment for hiring illegal immigrants more than anyone is willing to risk. It will almost police itself.


They face almost no punishment at all.  But unfortunately our economy is not geared for having no illegals.  As soon as we have to start paying $15/pound for our fruits and vegatables, everyone would be screaming for the illegals to come back.

How funny. Phone Post 3.0

RockTheVote - 
bigsakimoto - Why would the Mexican government agree to that?
He's saying their choice is to pay us the $2, or get their oil from overseas and pay a lot more. Phone Post 3.0

OP is stating that Mexico is selling to oil to US.

$2M/day...does US really buy that much oil from Mexico? Or is US selling the oil to Mexico? If so, would they really have to go overseas? Couldnt they get their oil from Canada or Venezuela?

Gforce -
Soup and Beer - 
Glovegate - You don't even need a wall.

Just make the punishment for hiring illegal immigrants more than anyone is willing to risk. It will almost police itself.


They face almost no punishment at all.  But unfortunately our economy is not geared for having no illegals.  As soon as we have to start paying $15/pound for our fruits and vegatables, everyone would be screaming for the illegals to come back.


This is penny wise and pound foolish. The presence of illegals is a net negative. Illegals consume far more in services than they contribute.

We'd be better off paying those higher prices instead of what we have now.

They may be helping us save on agricultural prices, but the presence of the illegals costs us a ton more in other ways.

Illegals drive healthcare prices through the roof. They get their medical care in the ER, where they give a different name every time and skip out on the bill. Who do you think pays for that? The middle class, and those who employ them.

Most importantly, this kills those who have no health insurance. The bill you get if you have no insurance and give a real name is jacked up beyond belief to pay for all of the illegals who skip out. We've seen threads on this forum where other OGers have received crushing bills.

They are also crushing the school systems. Yes, the property owners of the places they rent pay property/school taxes. But illegals tend to live stacked like cordwood in small apartments containing 10-12 people. They are shitting out children like rats, while actual citizens are having far fewer children. We get stuck with pretty much all the costs.

Finally, the illegals are doing physical labor with no savings for retirement. When they get hurt/old, who do you think is going to pay for them? That's right, us.

I'll take a $12 gallon of orange juice over the shit that it going on now any day.
Vu. Somebody actually know what the fuck they talking about. Phone Post 3.0

RockTheVote - 
bigsakimoto - Why would the Mexican government agree to that?
He's saying their choice is to pay us the $2, or get their oil from overseas and pay a lot more. Phone Post 3.0

I wonder what the experts say.

California farming family member here.
Build the wall.
AND enjoy your 20 dollar salads! But after the 20 dollar salad, you can go home to do yardwork, because that's going to cost 525 for a white guy to come twice a month.
The great governmental secret in California :
The government doesn't care. Phone Post 3.0

For one illegals don't work for less than the allowed min wage. So please clarify. I guess your saying we would have to pay more for other people to pick fruit?? You do realize that green card for work and others would be still there. Also pay a buck or two more. Big deal. They costs us billions and billions of dollars with a chore baby's. Plus the cost of policing and incarnation. Crime etc etc. schooling housing,healthcare, food stamps, cash aid. Subsidize the farmers with all the billions and billions we save. Fruit would be cheaper. Phone Post 3.0

Wait - I believe the Fox guy indicated that the US buys oil from Mexico and that we allow it to be transported over to the US for free. Phone Post 3.0

rustyshakleford - California farming family member here.
Build the wall.
AND enjoy your 20 dollar salads! But after the 20 dollar salad, you can go home to do yardwork, because that's going to cost 525 for a white guy to come twice a month.
The great governmental secret in California :
The government doesn't care. Phone Post 3.0
Really as whit guy does my yard and his price is the same as most others. Get out of her with this bullshit. If they charge less is because they don't pay taxes don't get and business licenses and do all the shit that all the legal people do. So if they did that they would be able to charge less. Get out of here with that fucking bullshit. Phone Post 3.0