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BUFFGEO - Gracie in Action videos are always worth watching again and again.
Problem with the todays fans is no one knows how this all got started. They dont realize that just 15 years ago no one at all knew anything about submission and grappling in fighting
That is not true.
Sambo, Judo, and Pankration all utilized submissions and grappling before GJJ.
There's clearly a misunderstanding of what a complete grappling style utilized, and at the time, Brazilian jujitsu was the most complete. Now I'm not saying that the Gracies perfected any grappling system. It's just that the competitive nature of Jujitsu and its development in Brazil fueled a constant evolution both in competition and in self defense.
That being said, Judo was far from complete as leg lock techniques were seldom taught or utilized. Newaza was scarce (all of this kosen judo stuff seemed more farce than reality). Sambo was and still is a complete mystery to many people outside of Russia. Wrestling had virtually no applicable submissions. Jujitsu was it ... and nobody knew what it was.
BUFFGEO - Thats because even the arts that had grappling in them didnt know how to apply them well in a real fight.
Hell, must Judo newaza is still garbage, as well as most schools that list 'Pancrase' as theyre ground style... good luck finding a Sambo school anywhere
My original statement holds true
A little bit of misinformation, in these posts.
First of all, yes, Judo and Pankration utilized submissions prior to BJJ. However, one could argue that SAMBO's development was simultaneous to that of BJJ, and that both were derived from Judo, which in turn came from classical jujutsu ryu-ha. Pankration, however, was lost to time and wasn't resurrected until well after the independence of BJJ from Judo.
Secondly, the idea that groundfighting was only really being developed by the Gracies is a bit mythical, as well. Gene Lebell choked Milo Savage into unconsciousness using a Gi choke from the mount. Kyuzo Mifune teaches a Triangle-Choke to Armbar combination in his "Canon of Judo." Guys like Stu Hart, Billy Robinson, and Eddy Wiecz were making huge, musclebound men scream in pain on the mats.
The real innovation of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, in my humblest of opinions, is the realization that Pinning an opponent is not an automatic win in real life. This, in my opinion, is what separated BJJ from the other grappling arts more than anything else. This allowed fights to continue on the ground for much longer, thereby allowing practitioners to become that much more familiar with working on the mats.
As a consequence of the removal of Win-by-Pin, the Guard was developed. Judo was not entirely unfamiliar with the position, sure, but it really achieved its development and familiarity under the Brazilian system. This is where it truly became apparent that being on one's back could still be a neutral position-- not a disadvantageous one.