Gotta agree with him. Only 20th century heavyweights who would even stand a chance in the modern era are Holyfield, Lewis, and Bowe.
The rest are nobodies who get thrashed by modern cruiser weights and light heavyweights
I would favor Canelo over most heavyweights before the 80s
This is the type of opponent who gave Ali the fight of his life
6 feet tall 180lb brawler
Youâd have to be out of your damn mind to think anyone from that era holds a candle to Fury
So your logic is⌠Because Ali who was dropped once by a nobody he isnât anywhere near as a good as Fury who was dropped boy two nobodies prior to wilder?
He dominated Wilder, yes.
He clowned Klitschko.
Heâs huge
But letâs see him fight the rest of the names of his own era before we call him the goat of his era.
Still want to see him vs AJ, Usyk, Povetkin and white.
The more fights he has against name fighters the more chance of him getting caught. Again.
Iâd favor him to win all of those matchups. But itâs too soon to say goat.
Frankly Iâm annoyed of GOAT talk in sports period. Itâs talked about so fucking often. Especially in the UFC. Everyone with a couple title defenses is the goat according to Rogan, Anek and DC.
Cooper wasnât a nobody. He was a contender in the 60s and took Ali to the limit twice. Both fights were stopped on cuts when Cooper was winning. First fight Ali got knocked out and his corner cheated to revive him which lead to a permanent boxing rule change
So your logic then is Ali got dropped by a great fighter so heâs better than fury that got dropped twice by nobodies?
Steve Cunningham is not a nobody heâs a world champ and he would retire undefeated in the 70s
In 10-15 years, another HW will come along and become champion and everyone will go on about how he is the greatest HW of all time. Then the next generation of fans will go on about how their fighter is the GOAT.
Meanwhile, Ali is always mentioned in these discussions.
And those people in the future will probably be right because athletes evolve over time.
And yeah, Ali is the most famous athlete of all time. No doubt about that.
Boxing has mostly devolved.
Guys are bigger and benefit from modern sports science. But the overall skill level has declined.
Tyson Fury is very skilled, and would be considered skilled in any era. But he wouldnât necessarily be considered the most skilled HW in other eras. He stands out in this era because the #2 guy is a full level below him in terms of boxing technique.
Wilder isnât unskilled just unorthodox and doesnât use traditional basic skills. Ali and Foreman are also a full level below Fury
Wilder would destroy any 20th century heavyweights with ease.
I understand noobs look at Ali with hype goggles on because yâall have been brainwashed which is why I posted Henry Cooper who you can watch without hype goggles.
Look at that Henry cooper highlight above and tell me you honestly think Cooper would beat Caleb Plant or Canelo let alone a top heavyweight
Fury is a nightmare matchup for anyone and is quite unique. Definitely in the discussion but he would certainly lose a few here and there to others in the top ten. His âwarâ and resilience is pretty common amongst all the GOATs except for maybe Mike Tyson who was more of a frontrunner.
If anything boxing has become slightly easier with less rounds and more protection from refs to prevent brain injuries.
Canelo, Pacquiao, and Mayweathrr are factually more skilled than any old school fighters.
Fury would easily crush anyone from the 1900s. His only challenge would be Lewis
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Fury is a nightmare matchup for anyone and is quite unique. Definitely in the discussion but he would certainly lose a few here and there to others in the top ten. His âwarâ and resilience is pretty common amongst all the GOATs except for maybe Mike Tyson who was more of a frontrunner.
If anything boxing has become slightly easier with less rounds and more protection from refs to prevent brain injuries.
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I canât see putting Fury at #1 all time.
But I think itâs fair to argue he is in the top 10.
Iâm a big fan too. Easily my favorite modern boxer, and one of my favorites all time.
That fight the other night is one of the better fights I have seen in a long time â and IMO deserves recognition as being historically great.
But Ali is still the GOAT in my book.
He went to war multiple times and proved to be the best in a more stacked era of HWs.
And itâs not just what Ali did⌠itâs the way he did it.
Could Ali beat Fury?
I tend to think he could, but it would certainly not be easy.
Ali is not as big and powerful as Wilder, but he is twice the boxer and probably three times smarter.
I will say, that at 6â9 and 270ish⌠Furyâs combination of size and skill presents big problems for pretty much anyone ever.
But if we could get a time machine and put all the greats against eachother at their peak â I donât think any of them go undefeated â Fury included.
Unfortunately for Fury,he is the king of a very top heavy era.
In some ways that makes me like him more, because he is a bit of a throwback, and a breath of fresh air.
But it does hurt him a little on the GOAT list.
It is what it is, and everything is relative.
Based on accomplishments I would say
- Ali
- Louis
- Holmes
- Klitschko
- Lewis
Based on who would win a prime vs prime tournament
- Fury
- Wilder
- Lewis
- Klitschko
- Bowe
By Klitschko I meant wladimir btw.
Vitali is the most overrated fighter ever besides mike Tyson
Wilder has an obvious history of leaving himself wide open. He has big holes in his game. He was probably the best heâs ever been the other night, and that was more on toughness and determination than anything.
I actually gained respect for Wilder because of that fight.
But saying Ali is a level below him skill-wise, is blatantly absurd.