Greatest per weight class

The original 8

My list

Heavyweight-Muhammad Ali
Light heavyweight-Ezzard Charles
Middleweight-Carlos Monzon
Welterweight-Ray Robinson
Lightweight-Roberto Duran
Featherweight-Wille Pep
Bantamweight-Eder Jofre
Flyweight-Jimmy Wilde

All time P4P

1-Ray Robinson
2-Harry Greb
3-Henry Armstong
4-Willie Pep
5-Roberto Duran
6-Ezzard Charles
7-Archie Moore
8-Muhammad Ali
9-Benny Leonard
10-Gene Tunney

I change my 6-10 P4P ranking all time list pretty regularly. My top 5 is consistent though. I'm always reading new things and learning about the sport changing my list. Mickey Walker could be on it. Sam Langford as well. Several others. Phone Post 3.0

DanTheCan - I really like your pound for pound list. I don't think Muhammad Ali belongs there however. Phone Post 3.0
Thanks man. Ali is famous for proclaiming he was the greatest and people remember that and it does affect their opinion of him. To be fair you could make an argument for him being the GOAT. Not a good one but it can be made. He's probably the best known fighter ever that helps. Phone Post 3.0

Jack Johnson and Bon Fitzsimmons were great they could be on that list. I actually think Jackson might've been greater than Louis. His resume is great. Phone Post 3.0

DanTheCan -
Stern - Jack Johnson and Bon Fitzsimmons were great they could be on that list. I actually think Jackson might've been greater than Louis. His resume is great. Phone Post 3.0
I agree with cus d'amato when he said "Joe Louis would knock out Muhammad Ali." Phone Post 3.0
I'd pick Ali over Louis. Joe was great I have nothing but good things to say about him but I think Ali stop's him. I'd actually pick a few over Louis H2H. Phone Post 3.0

Joe had A power for sure.

Dempsey
Marciano
Liston
Foreman
Shavers
Lyle
Cooney
Tyson
Morrison
Lennox
Tua
Klitschko brothers

All those guys as well Phone Post 3.0

Always feel like shavers doesn't quite have the achievements to go with his power moniker.

Although I'm in no position to argue with the ridiculous array of testimonials. Phone Post 3.0

Frames4Life - Always feel like shavers doesn't quite have the achievements to go with his power moniker.

Although I'm in no position to argue with the ridiculous array of testimonials. Phone Post 3.0
His lack of achievements don't take away from his power Phone Post 3.0

I think Mike Tyson in his prime was the best heavy weight boxer to ever live Phone Post 3.0

OGstudmuffin - I think Mike Tyson in his prime was the best heavy weight boxer to ever live Phone Post 3.0

Than you need to post less and watch more boxing.

DanTheCan - I really like your pound for pound list. I don't think Muhammad Ali belongs there however. Phone Post 3.0

I really strongly disagree. PFP is and always has been a marketing tool, so it is based on subjectivity. But if you are going to try rank guys, I think you do it on accomplishments and not potential, skill or physical attributes. No one really had a better career than Ali did. Only Joe Louis can say he fought in bigger fights. Ali did was as clutch as they came and fought in the best era of HW boxing ever.

BTW, You'll probably never see another era where big men are the best in boxing again. Big men play other sports now. Boxing is for small guys who are too small too play football and basketball. And too poor. If you go through history it seems like the most down trodden people typically grow up to produce the best boxers. Which is why you are seeing Eastern Block guys that are so good right now. They know suffering. In the US, the poor aren't really poor. They are coddled. At least for now, until the wheels come off

buddie -
OGstudmuffin - I think Mike Tyson in his prime was the best heavy weight boxer to ever live Phone Post 3.0

Than you need to post less and watch more boxing.
We are giving opinions I'm not making an argument Phone Post 3.0

buddie -
DanTheCan - I really like your pound for pound list. I don't think Muhammad Ali belongs there however. Phone Post 3.0

I really strongly disagree. PFP is and always has been a marketing tool, so it is based on subjectivity. But if you are going to try rank guys, I think you do it on accomplishments and not potential, skill or physical attributes. No one really had a better career than Ali did. Only Joe Louis can say he fought in bigger fights. Ali did was as clutch as they came and fought in the best era of HW boxing ever.

BTW, You'll probably never see another era where big men are the best in boxing again. Big men play other sports now. Boxing is for small guys who are too small too play football and basketball. And too poor. If you go through history it seems like the most down trodden people typically grow up to produce the best boxers. Which is why you are seeing Eastern Block guys that are so good right now. They know suffering. In the US, the poor aren't really poor. They are coddled. At least for now, until the wheels come off
I always wondered how boxing would be shaped differently if the USSR and Cuba allowed their guys to turn pro. I mean it's very possible the best HW of the 70's was Stevenson and Savon the 90's. Russia had that Igor something guy that was really good that beat Stevenson 2x Phone Post 3.0

Heavyweight joe louis

cruiserweight evander holyfield

light heavyweight michael spinks

super middle andre ward

middleweight marvin hagler

jr middleweight mike mccallum

welterweight ray robinsin

jr welterweight julio cesar chavez

lightweight pernell whitaker

super featherweight floyd mayweather

featherweight salvador sanchez

jr featherweight wilfredo gomez

bantam weight carlos zarate

flyweight pancho villa

pharochuck -


Heavyweight joe louis



cruiserweight evander holyfield



light heavyweight michael spinks



super middle andre ward



middleweight marvin hagler



jr middleweight mike mccallum



welterweight ray robinsin



jr welterweight julio cesar chavez



lightweight pernell whitaker



super featherweight floyd mayweather



featherweight salvador sanchez



jr featherweight wilfredo gomez



bantam weight carlos zarate



flyweight pancho villa

How do you have Sanchez over Pep? Phone Post 3.0

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Heavyweight joe louis



cruiserweight evander holyfield



light heavyweight michael spinks



super middle andre ward



middleweight marvin hagler



jr middleweight mike mccallum



welterweight ray robinsin



jr welterweight julio cesar chavez



lightweight pernell whitaker



super featherweight floyd mayweather



featherweight salvador sanchez



jr featherweight wilfredo gomez



bantam weight carlos zarate



flyweight pancho villa

How do you have Sanchez over Pep? Phone Post 3.0
Where do you put Calazaghe for Super Middle? Phone Post 3.0

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Heavyweight joe louis



cruiserweight evander holyfield



light heavyweight michael spinks



super middle andre ward



middleweight marvin hagler



jr middleweight mike mccallum



welterweight ray robinsin



jr welterweight julio cesar chavez



lightweight pernell whitaker



super featherweight floyd mayweather



featherweight salvador sanchez



jr featherweight wilfredo gomez



bantam weight carlos zarate



flyweight pancho villa

How do you have Sanchez over Pep? Phone Post 3.0
Where do you put Calazaghe for Super Middle? Phone Post 3.0
Well it's pretty close between Andre Ward,Joe Calzaghe,and Steve Collins as to who's the greatest super middleweight ever.

I'd put Andre Ward as the greatest but I wouldn't just argue anyone down if they put Joe or Collins as #1 Phone Post 3.0

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Heavyweight joe louis



cruiserweight evander holyfield



light heavyweight michael spinks



super middle andre ward



middleweight marvin hagler



jr middleweight mike mccallum



welterweight ray robinsin



jr welterweight julio cesar chavez



lightweight pernell whitaker



super featherweight floyd mayweather



featherweight salvador sanchez



jr featherweight wilfredo gomez



bantam weight carlos zarate



flyweight pancho villa

How do you have Sanchez over Pep? Phone Post 3.0


footage i've seen of him is tremendous. but sanchez was such a machine that i honestly just can't picture any man beating him at that weight 

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Heavyweight joe louis



cruiserweight evander holyfield



light heavyweight michael spinks



super middle andre ward



middleweight marvin hagler



jr middleweight mike mccallum



welterweight ray robinsin



jr welterweight julio cesar chavez



lightweight pernell whitaker



super featherweight floyd mayweather



featherweight salvador sanchez



jr featherweight wilfredo gomez



bantam weight carlos zarate



flyweight pancho villa

How do you have Sanchez over Pep? Phone Post 3.0
Where do you put Calazaghe for Super Middle? Phone Post 3.0


#2

pharochuck - 


Heavyweight joe louis



cruiserweight evander holyfield



light heavyweight michael spinks



super middle andre ward



middleweight marvin hagler



jr middleweight mike mccallum



welterweight ray robinsin



jr welterweight julio cesar chavez



lightweight pernell whitaker



super featherweight floyd mayweather



featherweight salvador sanchez



jr featherweight wilfredo gomez



bantam weight carlos zarate



flyweight pancho villa



here's #2 at each weight



heavyweight Ali



cruiserweight david haye



light heavyweight bob foster * i don't count tunney or ezzard charles. tremendous guys at 175 but never champ



super middle calzaghe 



middleweight carlos monzon



jr middleweight tommy hearns 



welterweight ray leonard



jr welterweight  antonio cervantes



lightweight roberto duran



super featherweight azumah nelson



featherweight willie pep



jr featherweight marco barrera 



bantamweight eder jofre



flyweight jimmy wilde

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Heavyweight joe louis



cruiserweight evander holyfield



light heavyweight michael spinks



super middle andre ward



middleweight marvin hagler



jr middleweight mike mccallum



welterweight ray robinsin



jr welterweight julio cesar chavez



lightweight pernell whitaker



super featherweight floyd mayweather



featherweight salvador sanchez



jr featherweight wilfredo gomez



bantam weight carlos zarate



flyweight pancho villa

How do you have Sanchez over Pep? Phone Post 3.0


footage i've seen of him is tremendous. but sanchez was such a machine that i honestly just can't picture any man beating him at that weight 

Are you using H2H who's the best or are you going by resumes? Phone Post 3.0