HAULPORT HEAVYWEIGHT TOP TEN

Well, more like a Top 16.

Been a long while since I did this...

Ran my ranking algo against the HWs and here are the results with one caveat: I cannot rank the two Bellator Russian HWs above Bigfoot becasue that division is just so unproven. Cheick and Lavar are the only common denominators so Volkov and Vitaly are above Cheick but they stop there.


Champ Cain
1 Fabricio Werdum
2 Travis Browne
3 JDS
4 Mark Hunt
5 Stipe Miocic
6 Roy Nelson
7 Ben Rothwell
8 Matt Mitrione
9 Gabrial Gonzaga
10 Brendan Schaub
11 Bigfoot
12 Vitaly Minakov
13 Alexander Volkov
14 Cheick Kongo
15 Alistair Overeem
16 Stefan Struve


Josh Barnett - Not Enough Qualified Fights in Past 3 Years
Andrei Arlovski - Not Enough Qualified Fights in Past 3 Years
Big Nog - Not Enough Qualified Fights in Past 3 Years
Frank Mir - No wins in past 3 years

Here is the UFC's official rankings for comparison:

Champ Cain Velasquez
1 Fabricio Werdum (Interim Champion)
2 Junior Dos Santos
3 Travis Browne
4 Stipe Miocic
5 Mark Hunt
6 Josh Barnett
7 Andrei Arlovski
8 Bigfoot Silva
9 Roy Nelson
10 Ben Rothwell
11 Alistair Overeem
12 Gabriel Gonzaga
13 Frank Mir
14 Matt Mitrione
15 Stefan Struve

Galanis - 


Brendan Schaub #7? Are you joking? Rothwell needs to be ranked above him at the very least. Schaub has 2 wins in the last 3 and a half years, and they are against Lavar Johnson and Mittrione.



How does that make him top 10, much less #7, when guys like Rothwell (who KOd him and Overeem) are below?


That's a fuck up. I run this by hand and missed the Rothwell KO over Schaub. Will fix in a minute.

Thanks for point that out.

Galanis - 


Sorry to come off like a dick, just reread it and didn't realize I came off so badly.



I agree with most of the rankings, just think some guys can be switched around. But it's all subjective


Nah, no big deal. This shit wouldn't happen if any of my engineer friends actually liked MMA and would just turn my algo into a script for me (and scrap Sherdog)

: )

How come Schaub and Bigfoot are ranked but Arlovski doesn't get to be ranked when he just beat both of them?

zebers3 - 


How come Schaub and Bigfoot are ranked but Arlovski doesn't get to be ranked when he just beat both of them?


Did you see my notes? He does not have enough qualified wins in the past three years. AA only has 2 fights back in the UFC and was fighting very poor competition over the last 3 years and his only top competition during that time was a LHW (AJ) wrecked him. A couple of more fights and he is good.

Kongo over Reem and Struve.

I STRONGLY DISAGREE!!! Phone Post 3.0

priziesthorse - 
Haulport - 
zebers3 - 


How come Schaub and Bigfoot are ranked but Arlovski doesn't get to be ranked when he just beat both of them?


Did you see my notes? He does not have enough qualified wins in the past three years. AA only has 2 fights back in the UFC and was fighting very poor competition over the last 3 years and his only top competition during that time was a LHW (AJ) wrecked him. A couple of more fights and he is good.

He has wins over your #10 and #11 this year. It makes zero sense to not rank him above them.

Haulport - Well, more like a Top 16.

Been a long while since I did this...

Ran my ranking algo against the HWs and here are the results with one caveat: I cannot rank the two Bellator Russian HWs above Bigfoot becasue that division is just so unproven. Cheick and Lavar are the only common denominators so Volkov and Vitaly are above Cheick but they stop there.


Champ Cain
1 Fabricio Werdum
2 Travis Browne
3 JDS
4 Mark Hunt
5 Stipe Miocic
6 Roy Nelson
7 Ben Rothwell
8 Matt Mitrione
9 Gabrial Gonzaga
10 Brendan Schaub
11 Bigfoot
12 Vitaly Minakov
13 Alexander Volkov
14 Cheick Kongo
15 Alistair Overeem
16 Stefan Struve


Josh Barnett - Not Enough Qualified Fights in Past 3 Years
Andrei Arlovski - Not Enough Qualified Fights in Past 3 Years
Big Nog - Not Enough Qualified Fights in Past 3 Years
Frank Mir - No wins in past 3 years

Here is the UFC's official rankings for comparison:

Champ Cain Velasquez
1 Fabricio Werdum (Interim Champion)
2 Junior Dos Santos
3 Travis Browne
4 Stipe Miocic
5 Mark Hunt
6 Josh Barnett
7 Andrei Arlovski
8 Bigfoot Silva
9 Roy Nelson
10 Ben Rothwell
11 Alistair Overeem
12 Gabriel Gonzaga
13 Frank Mir
14 Matt Mitrione
15 Stefan Struve

hahaha! are you serious??

Browne above jds and stipe? No Phone Post 3.0

priziesthorse - 
Haulport - 
zebers3 - 


How come Schaub and Bigfoot are ranked but Arlovski doesn't get to be ranked when he just beat both of them?


Did you see my notes? He does not have enough qualified wins in the past three years. AA only has 2 fights back in the UFC and was fighting very poor competition over the last 3 years and his only top competition during that time was a LHW (AJ) wrecked him. A couple of more fights and he is good.

He has wins over your #10 and #11 this year. It makes zero sense to not rank him above them.

Do you have idea what kind of havoc would be caused by ranking anyone with two serious wins? Does that happen in ANY sport? Doing that makes zero sense to me honestly...

Your using some formula you came up with a few years back iirc? Phone Post 3.0

caseharts - Browne above jds and stipe? No Phone Post 3.0

This is what Stipe has done in the past three years:

Lost by decision to Junior dos Santos
Beat a middle of the pack LHW Fabio Maldonado who fought on short notice
Decisioned Gabriel Gonzaga
Decisioned Roy Nelson
Got TKO'd by Stefan Struve
TKO'd Shane del Rosario
KO'd Philip De Fries

He didn't finish anyone of note and he was more impressive in his loss to JDS than anything else.


This is what Travis did in the same period:

TKO'd Brendan Schaub
Lost a decision to Fabricio Werdum
Crushed Josh Barnett's head in
KO'd Alistair Overeem
Crushed Gabriel Gonzaga's head in
Got TKO'd after a leg injury by Antonio Silva
Submitted a journeyman LHW in Chad Griggs

Travis finished Barnett, Gonzaga and Schaub all badly.


Here is what JDS has done in the past 3 years:

Squeaked out a hard fought decision against Stipe
Got his shit pushed in twice by Cain Velasquez
Spectacularly finished Mark Hunt
TKO'd Frank Mir who hasn't won in three years and has looked like a punching bag.

Outside of the fact that my algo ranks solely by the numbers and head-to-head wins, just looking at those records an excellent case can be made for Travis. I think the algo is correct.

Uni man - Your using some formula you came up with a few years back iirc? Phone Post 3.0

Correcto : )

priziesthorse - 
Haulport - 
priziesthorse - 
Haulport - 
zebers3 - 


How come Schaub and Bigfoot are ranked but Arlovski doesn't get to be ranked when he just beat both of them?


Did you see my notes? He does not have enough qualified wins in the past three years. AA only has 2 fights back in the UFC and was fighting very poor competition over the last 3 years and his only top competition during that time was a LHW (AJ) wrecked him. A couple of more fights and he is good.

He has wins over your #10 and #11 this year. It makes zero sense to not rank him above them.

Do you have idea what kind of havoc would be caused by ranking anyone with two serious wins? Does that happen in ANY sport? Doing that makes zero sense to me honestly...

Dude u have Cheick fucking Kongo ranked and not Alovski.

Cheick Kongo last 4 fights

Win over Lavar Johnson NR
Win over Eric Smith NR
Loss to Minakov #12(your rank)
Win over Peter Graham

Andrei Alovski last 4 fights

Win over Bigfoot #11(your rank)
Win over Schaub #10 (your rank)
Win over Kraniotakes NR
Win over Kyle NR

Please explain how Kongo should be higher than Arlovski.

Duuuuuuuuuuuuude

Fucking pay attention cause this is my last reply. AA is NOT RANKED because he doesn't have enough qualified wins. That does not mean he is ranked BELOW Kongo. It means he needs two more fights to BE RANKED AT ALL.

Outside of a beating he took from a LHW AJ, Arlovski was fighting guys who were not fighting in ANY of the major leagues until his return to the UFC.

priziesthorse - lol qualified wins. what a fucking joke

You're a loser who has no interest in discussing something - just talking shit like a bitch on the internet because your brain power is low ebb on a good day. Go design a fucking EQUATION that returns results like mine, which are certainly not insane or jibberish and are rather close to the UFC's own official ranking and come back to me.

And think about that for a second: I wrote an equation that nearly matched the UFC rankings that we created by people.

What did you do? Besides harp on the fact that you don't understand that trying to rank everyone with two wins in the UFC is nonsensical...

Haulport -
caseharts - Browne above jds and stipe? No Phone Post 3.0

This is what Stipe has done in the past three years:

Lost by decision to Junior dos Santos
Beat a middle of the pack LHW Fabio Maldonado who fought on short notice
Decisioned Gabriel Gonzaga
Decisioned Roy Nelson
Got TKO'd by Stefan Struve
TKO'd Shane del Rosario
KO'd Philip De Fries

He didn't finish anyone of note and he was more impressive in his loss to JDS than anything else.


This is what Travis did in the same period:

TKO'd Brendan Schaub
Lost a decision to Fabricio Werdum
Crushed Josh Barnett's head in
KO'd Alistair Overeem
Crushed Gabriel Gonzaga's head in
Got TKO'd after a leg injury by Antonio Silva
Submitted a journeyman LHW in Chad Griggs

Travis finished Barnett, Gonzaga and Schaub all badly.


Here is what JDS has done in the past 3 years:

Squeaked out a hard fought decision against Stipe
Got his shit pushed in twice by Cain Velasquez
Spectacularly finished Mark Hunt
TKO'd Frank Mir who hasn't won in three years and has looked like a punching bag.

Outside of the fact that my algo ranks solely by the numbers and head-to-head wins, just looking at those records an excellent case can be made for Travis. I think the algo is correct.
Stipe has been more impressive imo.alsp brpwne should have been dqed for the gonzaga fight. But to each their own. If they fight each other next I pick stipe. A close loss to jds that many scored for him is better than anything brownes done. Phone Post 3.0

Haulport -
Uni man - Your using some formula you came up with a few years back iirc? Phone Post 3.0

Correcto : )
Yeah you probably should have stated that as I doubt a lot of people weren't here or don't remember, and while I see some problems with the rankings you posted knowing that you came up with the from a system and they aren't too far off makes it interesting. Phone Post 3.0

Uni man - 
Haulport -
Uni man - Your using some formula you came up with a few years back iirc? Phone Post 3.0

Correcto : )
Yeah you probably should have stated that as I doubt a lot of people weren't here or don't remember, and while I see some problems with the rankings you posted knowing that you came up with the from a system and they aren't too far off makes it interesting. Phone Post 3.0

Thanks. Eh I figured this statement was good enough to let people get the idea I wasn't pulling it out of my arse: "Ran my ranking algo against the HWs"

But you are probably right : )

Either way, these kind of rankings and responses like caseharts are what I like about the process. You have two guys closely ranked (Travis and Stipe) and some people say Stipe's better or Browne is better so.....let them fight!

To me systematic rankings create some drama around who should fight. It takes out the "Zuffa just wants to rank so-and-so #3 because of X" which kind of kills things to me (the talk about it, not whether they do it or not). So by taking that human element out it creates, I don't know, a PRESSURE to have certain guys fight and sometimes the match-ups are not intuitive so you would get a match no one expects.

Even that dipshit priziesthorse's comments and railing against the nature of the rankings could lead to interesting match-ups if enough dipshits get angry.

caseharts - 
Haulport -
caseharts - Browne above jds and stipe? No Phone Post 3.0

This is what Stipe has done in the past three years:

Lost by decision to Junior dos Santos
Beat a middle of the pack LHW Fabio Maldonado who fought on short notice
Decisioned Gabriel Gonzaga
Decisioned Roy Nelson
Got TKO'd by Stefan Struve
TKO'd Shane del Rosario
KO'd Philip De Fries

He didn't finish anyone of note and he was more impressive in his loss to JDS than anything else.


This is what Travis did in the same period:

TKO'd Brendan Schaub
Lost a decision to Fabricio Werdum
Crushed Josh Barnett's head in
KO'd Alistair Overeem
Crushed Gabriel Gonzaga's head in
Got TKO'd after a leg injury by Antonio Silva
Submitted a journeyman LHW in Chad Griggs

Travis finished Barnett, Gonzaga and Schaub all badly.


Here is what JDS has done in the past 3 years:

Squeaked out a hard fought decision against Stipe
Got his shit pushed in twice by Cain Velasquez
Spectacularly finished Mark Hunt
TKO'd Frank Mir who hasn't won in three years and has looked like a punching bag.

Outside of the fact that my algo ranks solely by the numbers and head-to-head wins, just looking at those records an excellent case can be made for Travis. I think the algo is correct.
Stipe has been more impressive imo.alsp brpwne should have been dqed for the gonzaga fight. But to each their own. If they fight each other next I pick stipe. A close loss to jds that many scored for him is better than anything brownes done. Phone Post 3.0

Just on finishes alone Travis is superior imo. Stipe has finished no one in the top 16 and got solidly TKO'd by #16 while Travis has finished three top 16 guys, got weirdly tko'd by #11 and finished a a fourth guy who is right there outside of ranking only because of inactivity.

Who are some up Coming heavyweights? Is it bad I think fedor could still beat 80 % of those guys for sure?


Or at least if hes close to what he was Phone Post 3.0