My guy pulls guard and eventually triangles the guy. The guy picks him up twice and drops/slams him to the mat "defending" a gogoplata setup. The guy did nothing wrong because the rules allow what he did.
They said it was to encourage guys not to stall when someone is in their guard. Opinions?
Same thing happened to one my guys yesterday, only difference is Collin had the triangle sunk, he got lifted off the ground and slammed..WTF!!They said anything above the waist, it was way above the waist!The ref sucked balls and he knew it, shame on us though for competing with those stupid ass rules.
They said if the guy has a closed guard and you stand up and wait for 3 seconds and put him back down it counts for 1 point. If you stand up waist high and drop him it is legal. WTF? They said it's to discourage stalling by the guy who has guard. How the fuck are you stalling if you're working a triangle, gogoplata, or armbar?
No need to learn how to open the guard or defend arm bars or triangles, just repeatedly drop your opponent on his back. But on the flip side, you're supposed to apply all submissions ina safe and gradual manner.
thats why i am only a follower of tournaments run by us grappling now. they are by far the best. no way collin would lose to someone there without being screwed, and at least your boy got the finish in the end but the competitor and the ref deserve to be punched in the balls regardless. Congrats on your black belts guys and congrats to bryan on the brown. way to go josh!!
how does slamming during a submission prevent stalling
yet he was allowed to disengage by walking away from him while in guard
IPU, you don't even have to escape to be awarded a point. If you're mounted and can put the guy in half guard you are given a point. The funny thing is that a lot of the guys don't have a guard, half or otherwise so to give them a point for putting the opponent's foot between their legs just amazes me.
neckcrank, good point about disengaging and standing up. He wanted my student to stand back up but he refused. The 1st 3 minutes are submission only and no points are awarded for takedowns or any other positions. Why anybody would want to stand up is beyond me. I guess they don't consider it stalling when 2 guys remain standing and play pattycake for 3 minutes.
MKB, I don't know who the ref is. He really didn't do anything wrong and neither did the other competitor. The competitor didn't break the rules and the ref enforced them. It's the rule that sucks though.
My student went on to win the advanced division and the absolute as well but the rules suck ass.
I agree those rule suck ass but congrats t you and your students
no points awarded during the first 3 min could be fun though
Thanks Jay.
A few things about the Hayastan rules:
1. If you don't know how to defend against the slam, you should freakin learn. The Hayastan rules only allow slams from waist high or lower (which can still hurt), but the guy in the above video should work on underhooking the leg, etc. to avoid the slam. If a ref allows slams higher than that, you've got a bad ref, but they're everywhere.
2. The rules give you a point for moving to a better position. So no, you can't give a guy mount and then escape to win -- he gets a point for putting you there, and then you get a point for escaping to somewhere better. At best, it ends up being a tie for you. But if he took you down and then went to mount, you end up at a net of -1, for example.
I've only ever competed in one Hayastan tourney, but I like the rules. Their claim is that they wanted to allow leg locks, cranks, etc. b/c they wanted sambo players, wrestlers, bjj guys, etc. to all compete on an equal playing field. You may not like it, but it turns out pretty well.
Also -- they don't score points at all for the first 5 minute round; it's win by submission only. Points are only for overtime.
The one thing I don't like about their rules is that if it's still a tie after the second (points) round, you go to a sudden death bullshit round where the first person to fall or something loses -- incredibly dull. I'd even rather see advantages.
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To award a point for moving from an inferior position to a neutral one is retarded. I can see giving a point if you move from an inferior position to a dominant position, ie bottom of side control to top of side control. But to give a guy a point for recomposing guard makes no sense. His reward is that he is no longer in the position that he was originally in.
Also, once you get a point for achieving dominant position you are done getting points. For example, if you pass the guard into side control your given a point. If you then mount the guy, no point. If he turns over and you take his back, no point but if he then turns around and ends up in your guard he gets a point and the score is tied. WTF?
Learn how to defend the slam? How about learning learning how to pass the fucking guard instead of slamming? The submission round is only 3 minutes, not 5. The first round is submission only and is 3 minutes long. The second round is 2 minutes long and points are awarded. After the first 3 minutes expires, they STOP the match and restart it standing. This means that you can have your opponent in a submission and if time expires before he taps then he gets to start all over again standing. So much for encouraging submissions.
Is that Wally Maconald sitting behind the action?
Ryukyu Damashi - Is that Wally Maconald sitting behind the action?
Yes, Wally was in the same division.
1 point for mount and 1 point for escape is not equal and would actually increase stalling IMO because instead of actively attacking you dont want to let him escape