seriously if anything Sonnen is an easier opponent with same style as Hendo with less of a power punch How different are u going to train ? the 3 days thing is rediculous because they have almost the exact style and Sonnen was out of shape
I am certainly not defending JBJ decision on the basis that he needed more time to train for the different opponent, however;
Sonnen/Hendo may have very simuliar credentials on paper, but Hendo and Sonnen do not fight anything alike.
For argeument's sake only:
Sonnen/Hendo are not alike on paper or in the ring.
Neither are Couture or Lindland.
All the Quest guys have different styles.
no two fighters are exactly the same.But they both are ex wrestlers who have pretty good standup and been around about the same time If anything Hendo is more experienced than Sonnen but both are in good shape,good hands,good grappling defence,ground and pound,tough,in shape,agressive and both have been known to trade punches.No they arent exactly the same but very similiar in my opinion.If anything Henderson was the tougher fight and Sonnen wasnt in top shape
Winston Wolf - no two fighters are exactly the same.But they both are ex wrestlers who have pretty good standup and been around about the same time If anything Hendo is more experienced than Sonnen but both are in good shape,good hands,good grappling defence,ground and pound,tough,in shape,agressive and both have been known to trade punches.No they arent exactly the same but very similiar in my opinion.If anything Henderson was the tougher fight and Sonnen wasnt in top shape
If you think they're more than a LITTLE similar, you're an idiot who would rather read about credentials than watch fights and your opinion loses all value.
Suess - if you had to fight each of them, you would gameplan the same way for both?
yes id be prepared for a good wrestler with good standup who usually doesnt kick but throws hard punches But both have been takin down in MMA because they will throw punches and be open for a takedown on occasion.Id train for good wrestler who boxes and has good sub defence and good top game.Yes id train the same
GriffinQ -Winston Wolf - no two fighters are exactly the same.But they both are ex wrestlers who have pretty good standup and been around about the same time If anything Hendo is more experienced than Sonnen but both are in good shape,good hands,good grappling defence,ground and pound,tough,in shape,agressive and both have been known to trade punches.No they arent exactly the same but very similiar in my opinion.If anything Henderson was the tougher fight and Sonnen wasnt in top shapeIf you think they're more than a LITTLE similar, you're an idiot who would rather read about credentials than watch fights and your opinion loses all value.
i been watching both their entire careers starting when Hendio was fighting 4 man tourneys in BRazil.I didnt say they are exactly the same and if anything Hendo is the tougher fight But have similiar wrestling credntials and are both good standup fighters who dot throw kicks
Chael's got 5 rounds of cardio
Suess -Winston Wolf -Suess - if you had to fight each of them, you would gameplan the same way for both?
yes id be prepared for a good wrestler with good standup who usually doesnt kick but throws hard punches But both have been takin down in MMA because they will throw punches and be open for a takedown on occasion.Id train for good wrestler who boxes and has good sub defence and good top game.Yes id train the same
never fight or coach a fighter, please.
"good sub defence"
i thought we were talking about chael?
his BJJ has improved IMO.Silva also subbed Henderson .Sonnen has fought the best BJJers and has lost a few times but ha simproved.Id say Hendos sub defence is better
sweepnchoke - I am certainly not defending JBJ decision on the basis that he needed more time to train for the different opponent, however;
Sonnen/Hendo may have very simuliar credentials on paper, but Hendo and Sonnen do not fight anything alike.
This. This and how do people not understand this!?
hendo and sonnen are different in terms of how they fibght, but yes, the gameplan would have been basically the same...to move away and strike probably mixing in some takedowns when the pressure mounted
they are similar sized and both aggressive, grinding wrestlers..
of course there are details that are different, but to claim this is a 3 day notice fight as if he had 0 training camp is ridiculous
Winston Wolf -Suess -Winston Wolf -Suess - if you had to fight each of them, you would gameplan the same way for both?
yes id be prepared for a good wrestler with good standup who usually doesnt kick but throws hard punches But both have been takin down in MMA because they will throw punches and be open for a takedown on occasion.Id train for good wrestler who boxes and has good sub defence and good top game.Yes id train the same
never fight or coach a fighter, please.
"good sub defence"
i thought we were talking about chael?
his BJJ has improved IMO.Silva also subbed Henderson .Sonnen has fought the best BJJers and has lost a few times but ha simproved.Id say Hendos sub defence is better
Apples and oranges dude. I respect where you're coming from but have a think, they're 2 totally different propositions and styles.
Orcus Knows MMA Better Than Goku - hendo and sonnen are different in terms of how they fibght, but yes, the gameplan would have been basically the same...to move away and strike probably mixing in some takedowns when the pressure mounted
they are similar sized and both aggressive, grinding wrestlers..
of course there are details that are different, but to claim this is a 3 day notice fight as if he had 0 training camp is ridiculous
No way man, who has Chael ko'd? Seriously different animals on many different levels. I think JbJ wins both fights but they are very different fights and fighters.
This is ridiculous, they are nothing alike. Dan chooses to stand in almost every fight, for almost the entirety of the fight; for the most part all his opponents really have to worry about is heavy hands. If he gets a takedown, he will not do anything with it (see: Anderson Silva, Rich Franklin, Rampage, Vitor, etc fights).
Chael has far better cardio and his #1 priority is getting the fight to the ground -- which he does far better than Dan ever has. And while Dan does nothing after getting a takedown, Chael works tirelessly, throwing nonstop punches and lately even improving position.
Different gameplans, as already mentioned. Chael wants the fight to be on the ground with him on top. Dan wants to fight in stand up skirmishes.
Anyways - you don't fight a gameplan. You fight the way your opponent steps before he throws. You fight the angle at which he throws his punches. You fight specific movements noit gameplans.
I wouldn't say completely similar but nothing a small change in gameplan wouldn't fix both will pressure constantly and look to come inside as I said a small tweak in gameplan was all that is needed
Sonnen prefers Double and Hendo prefers clinch, but I still think they're quite similar.
Both boxers, both use greco clinching when they have to and similar double leg approaches when they want to get a TD. Both favor GnP and have granite chins, with subs being a weakness.
Only difference imo is that Sonnen favors double legs while Hendo favors clinche TDs. They still will both try to get in close for the striking and tie him up against the cage.
I guess Hendo also has more power, better chin, though Sonnen is great too, and better sub-defense, but hardly a night and day switch imo
And to someone mentioning AS, I remember the first round all wrestling then he got ruined when he decided to stand but still majority ground game.
To the mention of Rampage, I also remember him trying to tie up Rampage alot and go for clinch or double TDs. Maybe I'm remembering falsely, but I don't get Y ppl paint these two as completely different. Def not identical, but still quite similar
I mean he may have fallen in love with hollywood hendo, but he was still decision dan at one point no?
TRT onlt helps the H-bomb by 60%.
The same syringe makes Phael= gay supersaiyin.