How bad am I at Texas Hold 'em?

I have only been playing for 3 weeks so take that into account. I have gone 4 times and these are my results at $2-4:1). started with $100 ended with $77
2). started with $100 ended with $25
3). started with $100 ended with $63
4). started with $100 ended with $75
I feel like I'm learning a lot about betting, what hands to play etc, but damn it would be nice to win. Is this normal, am I at least somewhere in the learning curve? At least I walk away with at least some money.It seems like I win early and always get my total above $100 but then I always end up piddlling it away towards the end.

Not sure if that is normal for your first 4 games. You lost about 40% of your $400.

I would recommend starting out playing freeroll tournaments and then $5/£1 or $10/1 tournaments. That way you will get to play a lot of hands without the risk of losing too much money.

Read some books and get lots of experience.

"It seems like I win early and always get my total above $100 but then I always end up piddlling it away towards the end."

When you start winning above the 100 dollars just walk away and come back the next day.

"It seems like I win early and always get my total above $100 but then I always end up piddlling it away towards the end."

It sounds like you are starting to losen up when you get your bankroll up. Theat is where alot of new players loose there money is playing hands where statisticly they have no advantage. Try playing less hands and tightening up your play a bit. Go to and read the guys book.

IMO It's impossible to tell.

The fluctuation of your bankroll, even with great
play, can be enough to account for those losses.
Sometimes you just don't hit your hands. However,
given your inexperience and the fact that you are win-
driven, I would recommend reading books and playing a
lot more before you try to play with the intention of
making money.

Learn the game, concentrate on that. If you play to
win, you will lose. If you play to get better, you
will eventually win.

It's very likely you are playing too many hands and
taking them too far, that's the most common mistake
people make. Play tight, low-level players will not
take advantage of your tightness because they don't
pay attention.

THe most important thing is experience.

I've read 2 books, Sklansy's and Cordoza. I actually think that I played too conservatively. I could have won many more hands if I had played them, but I didn't. I'd say I played maybe 10% of the hands dealt to me.

I think the biggest problem I have seen is I get a good hand and then I check raise, raise later and then lose to someone with a better hand. I think I need to chill out a little on the raises unless I have the nuts.

Also it seems to be a lot harder to bluff guys out at a 2-4 table, a lot of guys just go until the end because it's not too expensive.

I did notice that I was playing with a lot of people who knew even less than I did (playing almost every hand, playing until the end, bluffing a lot, etc).

You can always win more hands than you play, that's the way it works. Sometime you fold 7 4, and you would have flopped a full house. Sometimes you fold Q 10, and you would have made 2 pair. Having the hand you fold hit doesn't mean you misplayed it- even if the hand was face cards.

Playing against people who won't fold (and they won't, you noticed) means realizing two things:

1) You have to have the best hand to win. This means hitting a King pair with AK, not K7 suited. Play good starting cards so that you can hit the best hand, not the second best. You don't want to be out kicked, you don't want to make the low end of the straight, etc. Second best hand is the worst hand in poker.

2) You have to watch out for draws. Bad players overvalue suited pockets and connectors, and they take their draws too far. So if the flush card hits on the river, you have to seriously consider if this dumbass who called you all the way down just made a runner-runner. Don't assume he did and fold every time- don't be afraid to bet if you don't read him that way- but you should consider it as a possibility. Maybe check and call instead of betting out.

This is just my views, I am no expert. But dammit if I am not getting better!!

Yes I agree with at least a system of what cards to play (depending on the position) it makes it much easier to take a loss or even a fold that you would have won.

I guess the two things I need to do is still play conservative, don't go crazy with bets on my "good" hands and adjust to a low limit table where most people are too dumb or don't care and won't be bluffed.

Jman, I've been having the same problems the last few times I played. I'm also a beginner and i usually play 2-4 or 3-6. I played especially bad this past Saturday at 3-6 and lost about $240. Not really a big deal financially to me, but I just fucking hate losing in general.

I agree with Frasier's advice about playing better cards. My biggest problem is that I get too impatient and after a while I start playing bad starting hands when I'm not in good position just because i want to get in the action. My other biggest problem is that I get tempted to chase my draws especially when the pot gets fairly huge, but thinking about it, I'm just hemmoraging my cash.

Yeah I think you need to be very patient and count on spending 3-4 hours at the table. This way you won't feel pressured to play hands you wouldn't normally play.

I'm just starting to learn about when to stay in a draw hand (by checking the pot amount and seeing how this compares to the odds that you will get a card on the turn of river.

I know that I'm doing the right things but it still feels like I'm not getting any better.

One thing to realize also is that what you win or lose
does not always determine how well you played. This is
important. It's nice to be proud of hitting a boat to
sink a flush on the river, and it makes you feel like
a chump when you have top pair with another guy, you
have him out kicked, then he pairs up his kicker. But
if the boat was pure luck after a misread, it was a
bad play. If you knew you had the guy with the pair
outkicked before he just got lucky and sucked out, it
was a good play. Do it again next time.

The important thing is not how much you won or lost in
a session, it's whether you made the right plays. Luck
evens out over time, but skill gets better and better
if you work on it. If you concentrate on playing well,
the money will come.

It's really hard not to tie your emotional investment
to your financial investment, but IMO it's a sign of
taking your game to the next level.

Is it easier or harder playing a 2-4 table?

I heard it's a little easier on the 3-6 table because people tend to get out of a hand if more easily because of the increase in bet amounts.

It's about the same, maybe just alittle bit tighter. But I think it all depends on the table.

Post some had histories or better yet summarize the action like this:
Live 3/6 game. I've got Kh Qs in the Big Blind.

UTG limps (very loose, plays crap suited cards regularly)
UTG+1 limps (moderately loose pre-flop, pretty tight post flop)
MP limps (fishy)
CO limps (pretty solid, aggressive. Could be a 2+2er)

I check my option in the Big Blind (raise this? I didn't think it was a good move. Mistake #1?)

Flop comes Qh Td 4h .
I check with the intention of Check-raising. UTG+1 bets, MP calls CO folds and I check raise to drop UTG.

Turn is 6h . I bet out, UTG+1 raises me (MP folds). I've played with him long enough that I should KNOW that he has a flush, but I have the Kh . I might be drawing dead to nut flush, but I call anyways (mistake #2?)

River is Qc and I check, he bets and I make the crying call (mistake #3?)

** this is not my hand history, just an example of a summary **

Here's one from last time:

2/4 game, late position, dealt, dealt: A-Q

Flop: Q-6-4 I call

Turn: 10, I bet, other guys call

Flop: 7, I bet, other guy raises, I reraise

Other guy has pocket A's, I lose

Here's another:

2/4 game, middle position, dealt, dealt: J-9 (not suited) (I fold)

Flop: J-J-7

Turn: 5

Flop: 9

Some guy wins with 2-2

Here's another:

2/4 game, early position, dealt, dealt: K-9 (not suited) (I fold)

Flop: K-4-9

Turn: 5

Flop: K

Some guy wins with A high

I can't think of any more off hand

IMO with the AQ you should have raised the flop. THis keeps someone with 6 7 suited from drawing out on you with 2 pair, and also might let you know if you are up against an overpair. If a tight player reraised you, you might suspect him of having the Aces, or trips, or two pair and you could fold. It would be a tough fold, but tough folds are what separate the good players from the great ones IMO.With the J7, you made a good fold. It hit, so what? Good folds sometimes hit. That's poker. Worrying about what might have been does nothing for your game. If you want to try to hit with crappy cards wait until you can check with them in the BB. Of course you want to mix it up a bit- and J 7 is not a bad hand to mix it up with, but do it rarely- not as a matter of routine. And it's better to do it with a loose raise, rather than a loose call.Same thing with the K 9. In early position, K 9 offsuit will lose you money if you play it every time. There are times to play K 9, but unless you want to consider it a bluff I would not play it in early position for fear of a raise, a flop that kind of hits me, and a pot that costs me a lot when I show down the second-best hand. You might get lucky with it, but I don't like to play lucky poker.

"2/4 game, late position, dealt, dealt: A-Q

Flop: Q-6-4 I call

Turn: 10, I bet, other guys call

Flop: 7, I bet, other guy raises, I reraise

Other guy has pocket A's, I lose "

Was your AQ suited? Did you raise preflop? Why or why not? How many people were in the pot before you called preflop? What was the table like - was it passive or was there a lot of raising? How many people were seeing each flop on average? Was this a full table or was it short-handed? Did the person with pockets aces raise preflop?

You have left out a lot of important details just with regards to preflop and the flop, which makes me think you are not considering them or don't consider them important, when IMO, they are important.

In my opinion, the outcome of the hand is irrelevant. The important part of the play of a hand is how you considered all the various factors related to it, and what kind of decisions you make as a result. If you make good decisions for the right reasons, the money will come.

I honestly don't remember all of the particulars of the AQ hand (they were not suited). But I'm starting to see how betting at different times in a hand can let you know where certain people are at.It would be a tough fold, but tough folds are what separate the good players from the great ones IMO.I like that quote, makes me feel a little better.

I again agree with Fraser. I like the folding of the J9 and especially the K9 hand in early position. With me, I dont care if my folding hands sometime hits big on the flop. As long as it's a solid laydown, at least youre playing the right way and that should help you out in the end.

Well I'm supposed to go to Hustler Casino tonight so I'll try to post more accurate information. I'm going in with $100, we'll see how much I come home with.