How Carlos Condit Outstruck Nick Diaz

 

Hey guys,
 
Thought I'd bite off a controversial one with Condit vs GSP coming up and nothing happening for a few weeks! 
 
Cheers,
Jack
 
 
No fight in recent memory has been so divisive among MMA fans as the bout between Nick Diaz and current UFC Interim Welterweight Champion, Carlos Condit. Diaz's army of rabid fans have raised all kinds of furor over the result of the fight, accusing Condit or running away and declaring that walking an opponent down is an important scoring criteria. It's not likely that I'll be able to change the views of any of Diaz's most hardcore fans - some even claim him to be the best welterweight in the game today despite the fact that the man hasn't fought a great wrestler in 6 years, in a division made of great wrestlers - but I hope to clarify some of the subtleties of Condit's strategy and how Nick's own style worked against him.
 
The key lies in Nick's stance (something he shares with both his younger brother and B.J. Penn); It is narrow so that he is almost side on and his lead foot is often turned in. This is so that he can drive his foot inside of his opponent's to land a southpaw jab and so that he can turn his lead hip in further and extend his reach. Unfortunately it also means that he:
  • Struggles to check low kicks from the outside.
  • Cannot keep up with an opponent who is stepping outside of Diaz's lead foot (the standard procedure against southpaws).
 
Inability to check outside low kicks and a difficulty in turning to face a mobile opponent are something that you will see at times in many of the Diaz brothers' and Penn's bouts (most notably Penn vs Edgar or in the second and third round of Diaz vs Cerrone). Everyone who had seen Donald Cerrone return to the gameplan of low kicking after his disastrous first round against Nate Diaz had already realized the significance of the outside low kick in fighting the Diaz brothers. In fact way back at the beginning of the year I wrote a piece predicting the role this kick would take in the Jackson's MMA gameplan for Condit against Nick Diaz.
 
 
Therein I suggested:
 
The front-foot-turned-in stances that the brothers present mean that they are particularly vulnerable to kicks to the outside of the leg, rather than the inside. As southpaws, kicking the outside of their lead leg requires the opponent to use his lead leg, just as Fedor Emelianenko did to break Jeff Monson’s leg in November, and this would be a good strategy for Condit to follow.
 
His push kick to the knee may also buckle Nick’s leg inward while preventing Nick from entering punching range, and it would be sensible for Condit to commit to this from the beginning in an attempt to slow Diaz down and limit engagements.
 
 
Though many have complained about Carlos Condit's kicks lacking power and being purely to score points ("leg jabs" is the term I hear thrown around in arguments about this fight) you can see that almost all of the kicks Condit threw were able to buckle Diaz's knee inwards, hindering his mobility, simply because Nick already fights with his lead knee turned intwards. Were Nick to fight in a slightly more square on stance he would not only be more able to check kicks, but he would be able to take them without his knee buckling and allowing Condit to escape.
 
Throughout the bout the lead outside low kick was the weapon of choice for Condit as it continued to prevent Nick from following him as Condit circled out towards' Nick's lead side. Later in the bout Condit began using the low kick to break Diaz's balance and set up techniques such as the high kick.
 
 
1. Condit enters with a left kick to Nick's lead leg, kicking it inward and forcing him into a short stance.
 
2. As Nick is off balance Condit plants his left foot and kicks Diaz in the face with his right.
 
Furthermore every time Nick attempted to work his way in, Condit would simply circle away from Diaz's left hand and in the direction which Diaz's stance made it very difficult to follow. Notice below how rather than getting into an exchange with Diaz (which is tactical suicide for anyone who isn't a Diaz) Condit slips the first punch, lands a quick pot shot and circles out. This is what Diaz fans termed "running away" but in fact it was just disallowing Diaz the only sort of stand up fight he wants - head to head against the fence. Notice the size of Diaz's turning circle is as his lead foot is turned in.
 
 
1. Nick is pressuring Condit.
 
2. Diaz attempts a left straight but Condit steps his own lead foot outside of Nick's, slips the punch and lands a hard right hook to the body.
 
3. Condit follows his head and gets his feet under him by moving out to Diaz's lead side.
 
4. By the time Diaz has turned Conit's back is off of the fence and he is back in the centre of the octagon.
 
This kind of in-out single shotting while avoiding prolonged exhchanges was the method used by KJ Noons to upset Diaz in Elite XC.
 
 
 
 
Continues at: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/10/21/3533810/ufc-carlos-condit-nick-diaz-judo-chop-mma-analysis

Nick Diaz fans incoming with "He ran! Carlos is a bitch! Where you at George!?" in 3...2...1...

I kid of course. Phone Post

I love this but in b4 potential shit storm Phone Post

UGCTT_Winnson -

This made me spit out my water.

I don't know why I find this picture so fucking funny... But I do.

Voted up when I get to a PC. Phone Post

You put some amazing articles on here! Thank you! Phone Post

TL;DR
He kicked him in teh leg, a lot.

UGCTT_Winnson - 



Surely you knew what was coming before you clicked on the thread. Or do you not look at who started the thread before you click?

What, like all those words I didn't read?  Of course I clicked the thread, but I didn't expect pages and pages and pages of drivel without a TL:DR.

 

And I promise I really ain't reading all that shit, so what's the problem?

 

 

I'm just sayin you've been around long enough to know what to expect from Jack Slack. The dude puts in time to write some well thought out posts (which is more than most of the thread starters around here do). If a few paragraphs is too much to read maybe you should stick to twitter or updating your facebook status.

Careful with the "drivel" and "shit".

 

If you haven't read something don't assume you understand the content/

I'll assume just fine from the thread title, thank you very much.

Posts like this are why people keep coming here, year after year, in spite of the trolls and morons...uh, morans ;-)

Even if I disagreed with the OP (and honestly, I lack the striking sophistication to agree or disagree), this is the kind of post that is worth reading by just about anyone here, even the pros.

Jack Slack - Careful with the "drivel" and "shit".



If you haven't read something don't assume you understand the content/

Your articles are usually riddled with misconceptions so it's a fair assumption.

And I'll bump it and everything else, but I'm not going to read it.

 

Probably bubble with rage, but if OP's writing is as good as everyone says it is and I start to agree, I'll go kill myself.

 

Diaz won that fight and I am shutting my ears to the contrary.  When you chase another man down that strikes back once in a while there's no question in my mind, and that won't change anytime soon.

 

TTT

UGCTT_Winnson - if OP's writing is as good as everyone says it is and I start to agree, I'll go kill myself.

In that case it's probably best that you don't read anything the OP writes.

 

Tad Ghostal - 
Jack Slack - Careful with the "drivel" and "shit".



If you haven't read something don't assume you understand the content/

Your articles are usually riddled with misconceptions so it's a fair assumption.


Source? =/



 



I'm always open to debate.

I disagree with you in that I think Diaz won the fight. But you wrote a nice persuasive paper there. I'm sure you will convince a few people. Good job. Phone Post

Good read. It's just a shame the nick diaz "fans" have to bash the guy he lost to instead of praising both of theirs strengths. Phone Post

UGCTT_Winnson - 


And I'll bump it and everything else, but I'm not going to read it.



 



Probably bubble with rage, but if OP's writing is as good as everyone says it is and I start to agree, I'll go kill myself.



 



Diaz won that fight and I am shutting my ears to the contrary.  When you chase another man down that strikes back once in a while there's no question in my mind, and that won't change anytime soon.



 



TTT


No one is saying you should agree with OP or not. Hell, im not even saying his writing is good or correct. Its just that you feel the need to open the thread and post some TL;DR bullshit about something that you already came in knowing you werent going to read. There was a point to the OP. There wasnt a point to your TL;DR bullshit....other than your blind nuthuggery of the outcome of that fight. If you're in capable of at the very least listening (in this case reading a few spaced out paragraphs and even some pictures) to the opposite side of the argument then what are you doing here?