How did Frank Beat Bas in the early days

Bound by blood stated that Frank had only trained for six months and he beat Bas.


How the hell does that happen

by majority decision

Bus seriously. Bas was won of the best fighters at that time and some guy with six months of training goes in there and wins.

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With a "can do" attitude

with a basball bat

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That is like saying a guy with six months training could beat Rick Rufus in his prime. Not gonna happen

Didn't Bas not start training till something like 28? It's not like he spent his entire life leading up to these moments.

cwcoogan - Didn't Bas not start training till something like 28? It's not like he spent his entire life leading up to these moments.

I thought that he had done martial arts and kick boxing for years before this fight.

Bas knew hardly anything at that point about grappling. He was pretty much a straight kickboxer when he fought the shamrocks. It inspired him to learn grappling.

It was in the script.

Happiness Bunny - Bas knew hardly anything at that point about grappling. He was pretty much a straight kickboxer when he fought the shamrocks. It inspired him to learn grappling.
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ORIGINAL01ER - Bas was won of the best fighters at that time

Except he wasn't.

The guy didn't compete in an actual MMA fight (you know... where they don't wear big rubber boots and are actually allowed to punch each other in the face) until years after he fought Frank. He only fought 3 MMA fights in his entire career.

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It was a very close fight. Bas felt he won the bout. It could have gone either way. Bas had grappling experience at the time, but he wasn't anywhere close to where he would take his grappling game in the coming years.

After Bas lost to Funaki, he realized that he needed to learn grappling. Funaki actually took Bas under his wing after the fight and trained Bas for the Ken Shamrock fight earlier that year, so Bas knew grappling basics and a few more advanced techniques, both offensive and defensive. Bas got a lot better with grappling in the next two years and beat Frank convincingly in 1996 after Frank gassed out and couldn't continue.

Frank and Bas wanted to fight each other again in the UFC around 1999 for Frank's middleweight title but it never happened. That would have been an amazing fight because Frank had gotten SO much better from his Pancrase days. His striking was awesome, his MMA grappling was top tier for the time and his speed, athleticism and conditioning were fantastic. Phone Post 3.0

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ORIGINAL01ER - Bus seriously. Bas was won of the best fighters at that time and some guy with six months of training goes in there and wins.

Except he wasn't.

The guy didn't compete in an actual MMA fight (you know... where they don't wear big rubber boots and are actually allowed to punch each other in the face) until years after he fought Frank. He only fought 3 MMA fights in his entire career.
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Funaki Masakatsu #1 - It was a very close fight. Bas felt he won the bout. It could have gone either way. Bas had grappling experience at the time, but he wasn't anywhere close to where he would take his grappling game in the coming years.

After Bas lost to Funaki, he realized that he needed to learn grappling. Funaki actually took Bas under his wing after the fight and trained Bas for the Ken Shamrock fight earlier that year, so Bas knew grappling basics and a few more advanced techniques, both offensive and defensive. Bas got a lot better with grappling in the next two years and beat Frank convincingly in 1996 after Frank gassed out and couldn't continue.

Frank and Bas wanted to fight each other again in the UFC around 1999 for Frank's middleweight title but it never happened. That would have been an amazing fight because Frank had gotten SO much better from his Pancrase days. His striking was awesome, his MMA grappling was top tier for the time and his speed, athleticism and conditioning were fantastic. Phone Post 3.0

Thank you for the back story.

I love pancrase. I even have some old vhs tapes of some fights, got it shipped in from Japan. It was an awesome time in the early days. It was presented as more of a sport rather than "No rules fighting".

Funaki was awesome by the way.. I can tell you are a fan =]