newer peptides.
Listen to the Rogan podcast with the dude from Icarus, Bryan Fogel, it will really blow your fucking mind as to what is possible.
StrikingMMA - I've been wondering something along these lines also. If there some steroids that can be hidden. Why do the russians keep screwing up so bad? Are they unable to get the good stuff like other countries?
Because one of their badass state sponsored chemist dudes is in protective custody in the US?
you also need courage and displine to avoid/beat USADA.
some athletes sleep bad because USADA can catch them when they are using peds.
A good person to ask would be Cyborg.She is an expert at this by now.She and Ray go to Thailand for the new PED stuff and together they get this down to a science,the only problem is her PED face which gives it away.I hope USADA finds a way to catch her,She's got some kind of TUE too to mask it all.Biggest cheater of all time.
MidnightStroll -A good person to ask would be Cyborg.She is an expert at this by now.She and Ray go to Thailand for the new PED stuff and together they get this down to a science,the only problem is her PED face which gives it away.I hope USADA finds a way to catch her,She's got some kind of TUE too to mask it all.Biggest cheater of all time.
Absolutely correct. Plus:
Cyroid sounds like a man
Looks like a man
Is as strong as a man
Trains as hard as a man
Even has an Adam’s apple
Now has a TUE so that “she” can fight in the US
Ingests anything that will give “her” an advantage
Sings in the same range as Barry White
there. A masterpiece
- timing
use drugs in the periods when you know the athlete won't be tested, calculating that the metabolites will clear the system in time
- masking agents
use additional drugs to interfere with predicted tests
-untested drugs
Even USADA can't test for everything all the time.
-tainted supplement loophole
I personally think some of them are preparing a batch of a tainted supplement in advance. There are so many small, shady supplement companies that it would be possible to arrange a small run of a "tainted" product. Many supplements contain some kind of banned substances anyway, it's not as if the industry is above that kind of thing.
Either one has the hook up or one does not have the hook up lol
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A few guys have had some solid answer here, I also highly recomend watching Icaris and then the JRE with the guy who made the documentary to see how easy it is to beat tests if you know what you are doing.
A few quick points as to how he explains you can beat tests/not get caught in the doc.
Biggest thing is timing the doses and taking doses that will not be detectible within several hours. The PED's being used will many times not be detectible by the following morning if you take them in the evening or night as lone as you don't does too high.
The way a lot of guys get caught is by either having masking agents, anti-estrogen drugs in their system or having test levels too high to be natural. That's where the passport comes in. They know your normal levels and when you suddenly test and your T levels are much higher than previously, they don't even need to detect a drug to know you've been juicing.
So what good juicers do is A: Use stuff that can't be detected at all if they can afford it. B: Microdose to have it not be detectible by the time they are most likely to be randomly tested. C: Use masking agents that can't be detected yet. D: Monitor their test levels and know what doses they can take that will increase their hormone levels, but not to the point where they will be flagged as being too high.
That's a simplification of the system, but I think its a solid run down.
The top gyms must invest some serious time in this. I can imagine the monitoring alone is sophisticated enough to ensure the fighters stay on track. Highly unlikely they’d do it themselves.
Some interesting theories. For peds to be used in this way the regulation and monitoring is probably stricter than USADA but with the opposite objective.
It suggests that there is little chance any fighter or coach speaking out about peds isn’t trolling. As bad as the politicians!
Also as a side note. It seems USADA has reduced dosages it seems. That is likely the major impact.
So instead of free reign to reach hulk status you can probably reduce the dose and frequency and benefit enough to be competitive with others.
May not necessarily be a bad thing.
Hurtsogood -A few guys have had some solid answer here, I also highly recomend watching Icaris and then the JRE with the guy who made the documentary to see how easy it is to beat tests if you know what you are doing.
A few quick points as to how he explains you can beat tests/not get caught in the doc.
Biggest thing is timing the doses and taking doses that will not be detectible within several hours. The PED's being used will many times not be detectible by the following morning if you take them in the evening or night as lone as you don't does too high.
The way a lot of guys get caught is by either having masking agents, anti-estrogen drugs in their system or having test levels too high to be natural. That's where the passport comes in. They know your normal levels and when you suddenly test and your T levels are much higher than previously, they don't even need to detect a drug to know you've been juicing.
So what good juicers do is A: Use stuff that can't be detected at all if they can afford it. B: Microdose to have it not be detectible by the time they are most likely to be randomly tested. C: Use masking agents that can't be detected yet. D: Monitor their test levels and know what doses they can take that will increase their hormone levels, but not to the point where they will be flagged as being too high.
That's a simplification of the system, but I think its a solid run down.
This right here.
The culture of cycling on and off is a thing of the past. There are drugs available to athletes with money or backing from a company with money that are not detectable within hours.
Microdosing establishes a new baseline.
Before USADA both DC and Cormier had wild swings in hormone levels from 'hard training', and people used to believe shit like that.
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Hurtsogood -A few guys have had some solid answer here, I also highly recomend watching Icaris and then the JRE with the guy who made the documentary to see how easy it is to beat tests if you know what you are doing.
A few quick points as to how he explains you can beat tests/not get caught in the doc.
Biggest thing is timing the doses and taking doses that will not be detectible within several hours. The PED's being used will many times not be detectible by the following morning if you take them in the evening or night as lone as you don't does too high.
The way a lot of guys get caught is by either having masking agents, anti-estrogen drugs in their system or having test levels too high to be natural. That's where the passport comes in. They know your normal levels and when you suddenly test and your T levels are much higher than previously, they don't even need to detect a drug to know you've been juicing.
So what good juicers do is A: Use stuff that can't be detected at all if they can afford it. B: Microdose to have it not be detectible by the time they are most likely to be randomly tested. C: Use masking agents that can't be detected yet. D: Monitor their test levels and know what doses they can take that will increase their hormone levels, but not to the point where they will be flagged as being too high.
That's a simplification of the system, but I think its a solid run down.
women can get away with way more, cause their hormones fluctuate
newjack900 -I once read how Lance Armstrong and A-Rod were able to beat the systems that were seemingly out to get them for years. It took a whole team effort, but both were so confident in their ability to pass they would do some brazen shit. The UG seems to be experts on this shit so I will try to preface this by saying it's been a few years since reading the article but some of the shit was out of their system so fast that they could microdose before bed and by the time they went to morning training they were clear. A-Rod knew once the games started (& they lasted 4 fucking hours, sometimes more w media obligations) he wouldn't be tested so he was actually doing shit in the clubhouse/dugout. Back then they would use the clear or some cream shit they would rub into their skin to help recovery on that area. I think that's why USADA and the harsher penalties haven't been much of a deterrent at all.
You think these guys are the victims of trying to cheat a few times and getting unlucky? No. They believe each time there is a small % that a random tester will show up within x amount of time. Then there's a small % their shit will get flagged. These guys know another pop will cost them their careers, and they are making very good $$ - Bones, Spider, Mir, Mendes, etc. yet they don't give af. That's because their teams convince them to stick to the program & they're good. Then we see a bunch of pops bc USADA's technology improves so they adjust. They really bring out the best from each other. I wish the NBA & NFL used a 3rd party random testing program like USADA - it would blow out minds the names that popped. One is a 34 year old with HGH head and is busting out of his jersey who hasn't slowed down even a little over the last 15 years.
LeBron will never be allowed to fail a test.
Would the best time to do a big dose be right after you were tested? Surely the testers won’t come back the next day?
StrikingMMA - Would the best time to do a big dose be right after you were tested? Surely the testers won't come back the next day?I think some fighters have been tested like 3 days in a row
GOKUJITSU -StrikingMMA - Would the best time to do a big dose be right after you were tested? Surely the testers won't come back the next day?I think some fighters have been tested like 3 days in a row
Yea, I would imagine that's probably a pretty good trap. Test someone and then show up a day or two later again.
GOKUJITSU -StrikingMMA - Would the best time to do a big dose be right after you were tested? Surely the testers won't come back the next day?I think some fighters have been tested like 3 days in a row
Wow, thanks. Cancel that idea, lol.