How do the most muscular guys have low testosteron

Bother Nate and Chael are tanks at 185, and probably both in the upper range of muscular 185ers.

Both claim to need HRT - WTF!?!

Use steroids, cycle off and then go find the right doctor who will let you get back on legally

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The biggest offender in IMO is Todd Duffee. I have a hard time believing that a guy in his mid 20s who is built like he is suffers from NATURALLY low testosterone.

you would think someone had low test they would shrink. :)

Gokudamus stole my name - Use steroids, cycle off and then go find the right doctor who will let you get back on legally


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Here you go.

using steroids, then stopping using them, causes low testosterone.

Gokudamus stole my name - *Use steroids, cycle off and then go find the right doctor who will let you get back on legally*

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If you cycle off roids properly and don't over do it, then your body COULD return back to normal on its own. However, if you don't cycle off and just stop, then your body may not resume making test on its own. Sooo, you then go to a doctor and complain about low test. He prescribes legit test therapy and there you go.

Test naturally declines the older you get and its rare in young men, but it does occur. What's rare about nate is that supposedly he wasnt reacting to regular therapy, which usually is test gel; he actually needed injections, for that to happen, is highly doubtful. If he was over 50 years, maybe.

TRT should be banned even with dr's note. I simple cant believe 25-35 yr men who are in the best shape of their lives and who can train for 4-6 hrs a day have a medical issue. It's a scam to get an advantage

kungfugrip - TRT should be banned even with dr's note. I simple cant believe 25-35 yr men who are in the best shape of their lives and who can train for 4-6 hrs a day have a medical issue. It's a scam to get an advantage



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frontrowbrian -  you can manipulate your test levels if you know what you're doing to make it appear you have low test when you really don't. Bodybuilders have it down to a science.
 

Nate's case is highly suspicious.


Chael has a legit medical issue.


LOL based on what evidence?

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Freeman Dyson - using steroids, then stopping using them, causes low testosterone.
Wouldn't your body just adjust back to base levels it was prior? <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>

No, I think it is similar to dopamine and drug addiction. When you take drugs, it raises your dopamine levels. Say your normal dopamine level is 5 before you ever start taking drugs. When you take them, you get a 9. But once you kick the habit your dopamine levels could go down to 2 or 3. Because your body is used to the drugs supplying the dopamine levels, it has stopped doing it itself. It can recognize the levels are high and doesn't produce any more dopamine. So once the drugs are stopped, it continues with the pattern of producing lower dopamine because it is used to the drugs doing it for them. That's why withdrawal is so painful. It fucks up the feedback mechanism. Same thing with testosterone. Your body gets used to getting it from an outside source, so once that source goes away, it has lost its abilitly to produce the testosterone on its own again. Or at least at sufficient levels.