How do you hang yourself from prison cell window?

Hernandez's suicide made me wonder this. Aren't cell windows at most eye level? A big guy like Hernandez would've had to kneel or fight to keep his legs stay limp because he could easily stand back up (even though he soaped the floor).

Or I'm guessing maybe he just jumped up to get the bedsheet-noose to break his neck? A tough way to hang.

I work in suicide assesssment for the county.   Just last week I had a guy hang himself at almost floor level.  He got on his knees, put the rope around his neck.  The other end of the rope was tied to a bed post on the opposite side of the bed, with the rope spanning the width of the bed between the mattress and box spring. 

 

So he was on the left side of the bed with the rope tied to a post on the right side. 

 

He put the rope around his neck and just leaned forward.   

 

You dont have to hang from the ceiling to die 

He apparently soaped the ground so if he tried to change his mind he would just slip and not be able to adjust.

Katsumoto - Hernandez's suicide made me wonder this. Aren't cell windows at most eye level? A big guy like Hernandez would've had to kneel or fight to keep his legs stay limp because he could easily stand back up (even though he soaped the floor).

Or I'm guessing maybe he just jumped up to get the bedsheet-noose to break his neck? A tough way to hang.

You're making the assumption that a persons preservation instincts will kick in and they'll stop.

Usually guys cut their legs off at the knees first, then hang

checkuroil -

I work in suicide assesssment for the county.   Just last week I had a guy hang himself at almost floor level.  He got on his knees, put the rope around his neck.  The other end of the rope was tied to a bed post on the opposite side of the bed, with the rope spanning the width of the bed between the mattress and box spring. 

 

So he was on the left side of the bed with the rope tied to a post on the right side. 

 

He put the rope around his neck and just leaned forward.   

 

You dont have to hang from the ceiling to die 

This guys a known troll (check bjj forms)

Truth is they cut off their legs prior to the shortend hang.

It's sad and unfortunate but in prison the mind is not normal

Most cut their legs before hand.

bluenoser - Usually guys cut their legs off at the knees first, then hang
This guy gets it.

Windows can be pretty high in some cells.

It's very easy to choke yourself to the point of passing out, then once you've passed out you obviously go limp, making the hanging go from knocking you out to killing you. If you tie something. Around you neck really tight and strain against it very hard you may even be able to breathe as you do it but cut off blood supply. It's very possible to hang yourself from eye level. There's no conspiracy theory here

I heard they cut their legs off first. 

I've seen many a video on gore sites of people doing it successfully. It's not that hard actually.

This lady almost "hung" herself in the middle of a road. Apparently you don't need anything to tie it off to, you just need dedication.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iloygbd5qfo

Do you really not get it ?

Surely you aren't that retarded..

bluenoser - Usually guys cut their legs off at the knees first, then hang

I think you forgot the part where they do a jig and sing hello my baby, hello my honey, hello my ragtime gal before taking the plunge

 

Some myths and facts surrounding execution by hanging.

 

Many myths and part truths have grown over the centuries about hanging and this article tries to separate these from the known facts.  Hanging is a slow and painful death.  This is a PART TRUTH, depending upon the style of hanging used.

Based upon photos and videos of actual hangings in Iran and Kuwait and of Nazi’s executed in Germany and Poland after World War II, it is possible to get a clearer picture of what really happens.

A number of short drop/suspension hangings, carried out in Iran have been filmed and these videos show that consciousness is often lost within 10 seconds or less, although body movements can continue for up to three minutes. It is reasonable to assume that the conscious phase is painful due to the constriction and pressure on the neck and the panic caused by being unable to breathe.

A man named Niazali, was hanged in Iran in February 1996 but survived after the victim's relatives pardoned him. He told the Iranian daily newspaper "Kayhan" what it had felt like. "That first second lasted like a thousand years. I felt my arms and legs jerking out of control. Up on the gallows in the dark, I was trying to fill my lungs with air, but they were crumpled up like plastic bags."

The Working Group on Human Asphyxia examined 14 hangings that had been filmed. None of these were executions, all being suicides or auto-erotic hangings. But their published results provide a valuable insight in to what happens in short drop/suspension hangings, which are still by far the most commonly used method of execution by hanging, in the 21st century. Some 440 of the 630 hanging executions in the first six months of 2015 have utilised this format.

The Working Group concluded that consciousness was typically lost between 8 and 18 seconds after suspension.  A secondary “convulsive” phase may occur, while unconscious, which can persist for as long as three or four minutes where there are visible movements of the body and limbs and drawing up of the legs. Agonal respiration sounds may be heard, the person gagging and gasping for air.

Decerebrate posturing typically follows the convulsive phase, where the limbs extend and contort. A decorticate phase may follow with further apparent contortions.  Decorticate posturing is a sign of damage to the brain stem and spinal cord. These two phases can last about three minutes before the person goes limp, but isolated, spasmodic body movements can continue for some minutes longer. All of these move ments may be mistakenly perceived/reported as conscious suffering and struggling. 

The film of a partial suspension suicide hanging of a young woman, which took place in Syria in 2012 and appears to be genuine, conforms very much to what is outlined above, she is seen to place what appears to be a scarf around her neck, with the knot at the back and then bend her legs so that her body weight is taken by her neck.  After a few seconds she removes the “noose” and appears to adjust the camera angle, before returning and re-applying the scarf. If the first few seconds had been incredibly painful it is at least likely that she would not have tried again. Movements persist for just over two minutes and for a short time her legs are drawn up and she is fully suspended. What is not seen is equally interesting. Her arms and hands are completely free and yet at no time does she put her hands to her throat to try and relieve any pain. It is a natural reaction to put one’s hands on a part of the body that is experiencing pain.

This would seem to indicate that either it was not painful or that she passed into unconsciousness very quickly. Although the focus is not sharp, her face does not appear to be contorted with pain.

The short drop/suspension form of hanging develops far less force and thus less damage to the structures of the neck. It is less likely to tear muscles and tendons than longer drops might do.

 

Aaronrodgers=GOAT - Surely you aren't that retarded..

Lol

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In executions the wrists are typically secured behind the prisoner’s back either by handcuffs or straps so that arm movements are limited, although clearly visible in at least two of the filmed Iranian hangings. Similarly the legs are normally strapped or shackled which limits their movement, although it is not at all uncommon for them to be drawn up, almost to a sitting position.

In properly carried out measured drop hangings where there is fracture/dislocation of the upper cervical vertebrae and severance of the spinal cord, there is usually no obvious/visible suffering.

However countries such as the USA and Kuwait typically report the time of death, defined as when no heart beat can be found by listening with a stethoscope. It is not unusual to see reported times ranging from 10 to 20 minutes from when the trap door opens to when the attending physician pronounces death. These report s tend to give the misleading impression that the person was conscious and suffering through out the period. The reason the heart continues to beat is that it has a sinoatrial node.  This is located in the upper wall of the right atrium and does not depend upon impulses from the brain. This is also referred to as the heart’s pacemaker and it generates nerve impulses that travel throughout the heart wall causing both atria to contract. This action can maintain heart beat for up to 25 minutes until the build up of acidic carbon dioxide in the blood prevents further muscular function. Brain death is thought to occur within 5-6 minutes after suspension due to the stoppage of the oxygen supply to that organ and congestion caused by blood being unable to return via the jugular veins.  Where hanging severs the spinal cord at or just below the level where it joins the brain stem (the medulla oblongata), unconsciousness is thought to be instantaneous. Where the spinal cord remains intact there is usually obvious physical suffering and visible struggling and this may be more intense than in short drop hanging. The longer the drop distance the greater the acceleration of the body due to gravity and therefore the greater the damage done to the structures of the neck. If the drop is extremely long the head will be torn off from the body as happened in two instances in the USA, one in Britain and one in Kuwait. If it is the “right” length the neck will be broken and if it is not long enough the person will be slowly asphyxiated, but will experience far more pain due to the force created on the muscles, ligaments and tissues of the neck by the insufficient, but still lengthy drop. 

Dr. W. A. Carte who gave evidence to the Aberdare Committee had witnessed long drop hangings where the neck was not broken and stated that he had seen struggling persist for up to five minutes. However he thought that they were no longer conscious after a minute and a half. 

This was followed by a quiescent period of two minutes or so and then further involuntary/unconscious movements for another two minutes.  The Kuwait Times newspaper filmed the long drop hanging of two men on the 18th of June 2013. Hajjaj Al-Saadi struggled hard for 45 seconds after the drop fell. He was a fitness fanatic and the drop proved inadequate. The second man, Ahmadi Abdulalam, died without a struggle and his body relaxed and became limp within a few seconds. However both men took around the same time (10 minutes) to be pronounced dead. The video of their executions is on the Kuwait Times YouTube page. Warning it is real and it is graphic. 

 

Hanging causes instantaneous death.

This is strictly speaking a MYTH, largely put about by the British government from around the beginning of the 20th century until abolition to make executions seem more palatable to the general public. At best hanging causes instant unconsciousness and immediate cessation of breathing, but as discussed above, as the heart is still beating for some time, death can never be truly instantaneous. American newspapers of the early 20th century would typically state whether a person’s neck was broken together with how long it took them to die. In Britain this information was completely secret, but surely the reality had to be the same in both countries.  One thing that is clear is that the time taken for the heart to stop beating is very variable - anything from 3 to 25 minutes. 

 

He was murdered