How unprofessional / immature is Dana? 1-10 ?

Two different subjects:

-Is Dana immature? Yeah. I've stopped watching the UFC simply because he's so grating. (I still hang out here for the Otherground).

-Are UFC fighters being ripped off? Compared to what most of them would be making if they weren't fighting, they doing better-than-expected for however long their fighting careers last. Compared to other professional athletes, they're getting shafted big-time.

At the top tiers, the elite pro boxers get far better compensated for their blood and sweat then MMA fighers. Floyd Mayweather probably spends on clothes what Georges St. Pierre makes in a year.

In the lower echelons, there's much more parity. Fighters in boxing and MMA are each raped by promoters. One could argue that the exploitation in the UFC is somewhat worse because there are "name" fighters being paid what no-names make in boxing, but are they name fighters only because of the UFCs unique business structure and marketing scheme?

da Vinci 81 - ^^ revenue does not mean profit. please fill us in on the costs each event incurs before you talk about fighter payout comparisons.



How are you getting internet access from the asylum?

Dana isn't unprofessional...it's just that his profession calls for different talents. Zuffa is 10x the organization that M1 or strikeforce are...and other than Fedor, UFC isn't really missing a single fighter of note. Dana is an idiot when he bashes Fedor, but he spends more time criticizing his opponents than he does Fedor himself. he's trying to bait Fedor...which is what he should be doing as a Zuffa man. He's seems like a prick very often but Dana is the man/face behind MMA in North America as far as I'm concerned. I don't think we would have seen Fedor fight on CBS if it weren't for the work Zuffa and Dana have done over the last 10 years.

blue63 - 
D0N Johnson - 



You are a complete and utter moron comparing Marciano and Dempsey's era to this era.


Did they have PPV's?


That just totally discredits your entire line of logic.

We're also talking about single events with direct revenue and fighter payout comparison. the blabber about how many shows a year has no relevance.

lol @ arguing business with someone who doesn't comprehend the difference between revenue and profit. I'm done with you, but feel free to keep trying to troll with your regurgitated anti-zuffa nonsense.




Hey Moron.... I said REVENUE and I meant REVENUE. that is the only substantiated figure we have.


How the fuck do we have profit #s after all the expenses?

Do you look at Zuffa's balance sheets for this info?

^^ So how can you argue fighters are paid unfairly when you have no idea what kind of profit Zuffa actually makes?

And in case you were wondering:

Revenue MINUS costs = Profit.

da Vinci 81 - ^^ So how can you argue fighters are paid unfairly when you have no idea what kind of profit Zuffa actually makes? And in case you were wondering:Revenue MINUS costs = Profit./////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


*sigh
okay let me end this.


Zuffa promotions (if a competent business model) should run their events at costs lower than boxing promotions.... because of the established promotion model they have in place. Boxing doesn't have a brand or a core promotion. Every major fight has individual promoters. UFC also has a show on Spike TV that generates a great deal of profit+free on air advertising.

Boxing promotions don't have a reality show on TV that's always drilling the brand. For every major boxing event they need to familiarize the audience with the 24/7 series. MORE EXPENSE.

UFC doesn't do this for every card.

BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THIS DISCUSSION. We'll say their expenses are relatively the same. Comparable.




Mayweather still walked away with 30 million. Oscar walked away with 54 million. All selling the same PPV numbers as Brock Lesnar. The end.

ttt

Fighters in UFC that have matches, fight and get paid.


Coker has fights set where both fighters are ready to fight and aren't allowed to fight. Getting screwed out of win and sponsor money.

mrmetoo - At least he pays his fighters

End thread.

Huge fuck up by Coker.

D0N Johnson - da Vinci 81 - ^^ So how can you argue fighters are paid unfairly when you have no idea what kind of profit Zuffa actually makes? And in case you were wondering:Revenue MINUS costs = Profit./////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


*sigh
okay let me end this.


Zuffa promotions (if a competent business model) should run their events at costs lower than boxing promotions.... because of the established promotion model they have in place. Boxing doesn't have a brand or a core promotion. Every major fight has individual promoters. UFC also has a show on Spike TV that generates a great deal of profit+free on air advertising.

Boxing promotions don't have a reality show on TV that's always drilling the brand. For every major boxing event they need to familiarize the audience with the 24/7 series. MORE EXPENSE.

UFC doesn't do this for every card.

BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THIS DISCUSSION. We'll say their expenses are relatively the same. Comparable.




Mayweather still walked away with 30 million. Oscar walked away with 54 million. All selling the same PPV numbers as Brock Lesnar. The end.

you're not "ending" anything, only displaying more of your ignorance. Here's an exerpt done with Lorenzo that should help you understand the differences between the two models:

Y!: You've had to address the whole money issue much more than you ever have. You held a news conference to talk about what Randy Couture was making. You're criticized greatly for the amount the fighters are paid. (At UFC 79) Chuck Liddell is making a purse of $500,000, according to the Nevada Athletic Commission. Floyd Mayweather was guaranteed more than $11 million when he fought Ricky Hatton earlier this month. Why is there such a disparity between what the top boxers make and what the top MMA fighters earn?


LF: You have to understand that the UFC has a completely different business model than boxing. We are in a situation where we're not only the promoter, but we pay for all of the production, where as in boxing, the promoter doesn't pay for any of that stuff. HBO or the network does. We pay for all of the advertising and the marketing. If you're a boxing promoter, you don't do that. You don't come out of pocket. Boxing promoters take no risk up front. They get guarantees from the venue and from the networks, so they take no risk. We underwrite the entire thing. And like I said before, we invest into the sport to try to grow it by doing things like going to Europe. We took major losses in Europe (in 2007). We didn't make money on any of those European shows.


But looking forward five years, we realize that Europe is going to be bigger than the U.S. and a lot of those fighters are going to benefit from the way we've cultivated the European market.


The boxing way is to take a short-term approach, but we're focused on the long term, both for the brand and for the sport.

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johnsonbarr -  10.  I can't stand the man


 I love douchebags like you. Without Dana White at the helm, Zuffa would have never gotten off the ground again. The UFC would never had gotten this big. Pride still would have folded like a cheap accordian, and we'd be left with nothing.



Do you honestly think Strikeforce could afford to pay for big name talent without all of the publicity, press, and growth of MMA in North America caused by the resurgence of the UFC under Zuffa? Strikeforce would be right now what it was five years ago; a decent mid-level promotion without any capital to pay good money to the fighters we love anyway.



MMA would be jack shit in the United States without Dana White. Hate on him all you want, the truth is what it is.

da Vinci 81 -you're not "ending" anything, only displaying more of your ignorance. Here's an exerpt done with Lorenzo that should help you understand the differences between the two models:Y!: You've had to address the whole money issue much more than you ever have. You held a news conference to talk about what Randy Couture was making. You're criticized greatly for the amount the fighters are paid. (At UFC 79) Chuck Liddell is making a purse of $500,000, according to the Nevada Athletic Commission. Floyd Mayweather was guaranteed more than $11 million when he fought Ricky Hatton earlier this month. Why is there such a disparity between what the top boxers make and what the top MMA fighters earn?LF: You have to understand that the UFC has a completely different business model than boxing. We are in a situation where we're not only the promoter, but we pay for all of the production, where as in boxing, the promoter doesn't pay for any of that stuff. HBO or the network does. We pay for all of the advertising and the marketing. If you're a boxing promoter, you don't do that. You don't come out of pocket. Boxing promoters take no risk up front. They get guarantees from the venue and from the networks, so they take no risk. We underwrite the entire thing. And like I said before, we invest into the sport to try to grow it by doing things like going to Europe. We took major losses in Europe (in 2007). We didn't make money on any of those European shows.But looking forward five years, we realize that Europe is going to be bigger than the U.S. and a lot of those fighters are going to benefit from the way we've cultivated the European market. The boxing way is to take a short-term approach, but we're focused on the long term, both for the brand and for the sport.http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-fertittainterview010308&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

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Are you really that much of a donkey?

Lorenzo explained things in a roundabout political manner that would easily persuade a simpleton like yourself. Predictable.

Zuffa does look after the production side of things as well as the promotions.

BUT let's step back and look at the big picture for a moment.Let's just look at Revenue period.
Per Mayweather or DLH fight.... the Revenue they bring in PAYS FOR THE PRODUCTION TEAM AS WELL AS THE PROMOTERS.

They didn't create money out of thin air to pay for said production team. It's still from the same stream of revenue they are expensing from. Do grasp that?

If anything Zuffa being the production and promoting figure-head allows them to cut even MORE Expenses in the big picture. They are removing one more party that's going to take a cut of the percentage of the PPV revenue. Basically doing everything in house.

There is no logical reason they shouldn't be paying their fighters more. It's just complete and utter bullshit and you're smearing it all over your face.

mrmetoo - At least he pays his fighters


Correct.2k is better than nothing.

joe bruce - Dana takes alot of shit, but any smart business man would not build up other promotions the way you all want him to.



nobody said anything about wanting him to build up competition.

Don Johnson is correct all over this thread.

And if UFC and Pride folded in 2007, there would be other organizations that would rise up. You would probably see IFL, Bodog, and Affliction still in biz.

DREAM would probably pick up a bulk of the top guys too making Dream an even BETTER show.

"There is no logical reason they shouldn't be paying their fighters more. It's just complete and utter bullshit"

It's called risk, moron. Try to get that business concept through your thick skull. They, covering ALL the costs up front, have more risk involved in running an event than any boxing promoter. Go take a business class and you'll understand these concepts.

And using Mayweather and DLH are horrible examples, as both are probably the highest paid boxers by a mile compared to everyone else. They also hold the record for the largest PPV in history.

And btw, whether you want to admit it or not, one company running 15-20 shows a year is going to incur far more costs than the average boxing promoter who puts out only 2-3 major PPVs a year. The UFC is basically a travelling circus that has to cover all the costs of moving from one city to the next every 3-4 weeks.

nope.



most people thinks he's unprofessional due to his ridiculous personality.

da Vinci 81 - "There is no logical reason they shouldn't be paying their fighters more. It's just complete and utter bullshit"

It's called risk, moron. Try to get that business concept through your thick skull. They, covering ALL the costs up front, have more risk involved in running an event than any boxing promoter. Go take a business class and you'll understand these concepts.

And using Mayweather and DLH are horrible examples, as both are probably the highest paid boxers by a mile compared to everyone else. They also hold the record for the largest PPV in history.

And btw, whether you want to admit it or not, one company running 15-20 shows a year is going to incur far more costs than the average boxing promoter who puts out only 2-3 major PPVs a year. The UFC is basically a travelling circus that has to cover all the costs of moving from one city to the next every 3-4 weeks.





How old are you? 16?


Most of the risk Zuffa took was when they purchased in the UFC and were in the process of building it up.

They've gotten their money back long time ago and more..... but are still preaching about the risk factor, so idioits like you don't hold them accountable for ripping off their fighters.



Zuffa is a billion dollar company today.


They are organizing more events but aren't taking risks anymore at this point by doing so.

Own production and promotion. Low cost + proven PPV buyrates. More events = More revenue.


Can your tiny brain wrap around that?




WWE ISN'T MAKING MONEY EITHER! OMG! THE RISKS!

^^ Lol, one day you might actually learn a thing or two about how the business world works.