Hughes/Charuto revisited

As with any (fan) judgement of a fight, I think you should watch at least a few times, on home, on tape to make a real call as to your opinions of the fight.

The first time I saw Hughes/Charuto at the bar, I thought it was close and could go either way (but thought Hughes would get the benefit of the doubt in a close decision - which would happen for Charuto too in Hawaii or Brazil, I dont think anyone can argue that).

Anyhow, here's what I saw when watching it again:

ROUND 1: All Charuto, definately Charuto, as any MMA fan could tell but I dont think it was enough for a 10-8 round as some suggested. A 10-8 is a utter domination where we have the guy almost KO'ed on a few occasions of almost have the guy submitted on a few occasions. Charuto had ONE close submission that round and although was on the offensive more than Hughes, I definately would NOT give it a 10-8 by any means.

ROUND 2: I said this before and most of us agreed that this is the make or break round for the fight as Hughes def. outworked Charuto in Round 3. First off, this was a CLOSE round and the type that was up more the opinion that a clear round imo. The second time I watched, I though Charuto. But then the 3rd time, I leaned toward Hughes more which means that it was very close and not so definative. If I were a judge, I probably would have scored it (and the fight) a DRAW (not definitive by either fighter).

ROUND 3: Though, for comparisons sake, I would say that Charuto had the better round in winning round 1 than Hughes round 3, the scoring dont work like that unfortunately. ITS A 10 POINT MUST remember?

Hughes got the takedowns and what everyone overlooked on the pro-Charuto side is that Hughes worked for and got, on many occasions thru the fight, halfguard. Now, he did not do much with it but for all those pro-Charuto supporters who were looking at the fight thru a BJJ/sub-wrestling aspect, Hughes got the takedown and progressed to side mount on many times throughout the fight. In round 3, Charuto def. also decreased in offensive output ( I would argue he didnt do anything in round 3) and Hughes got some minimal but still was on the offensive with GNP and the kimura attempt (which wasnt as good as Charuto's triangle but is still a submission attempt that Charuto had to escape or would count as a 'catch' in Pride).

What I and I think many also missed was that Hughes cut Charuto with an elbow I think and on the slo-mo replay they showed, Charuto def. had blood in his mouth and on maybe on his eye (but not 100% sure about the eye cut). Now that doesnt mean Charuto was getting worked but it def. means that Hughes was on the offensive and connected with some of his GNP which again, the pro-Charuto side claimed Hughes did NOT connect with one punch throughout the fight.

CONCLUSION: I could watch ROUND 2 10 more times and might score it differently 5 times. I would have no problem with Charuto winning that round but I dont see Hughes winning it as a bad call either. The thing that pisses me off is how people screamed "ROBBERY!!" which is ridiculous because it came down to one round and a close round at that. A fight that comes down to ONE CLOSE ROUND is NOT A "ROBBERY!!!" either way it went.

What we CAN conclude though was that Charuto won the respect of fight fans and Matt Hughes aswell. Hughes himself said it was a close fight and that he was def. impressed by Charuto. That was Charuto's 5th or 6th MMA fight only which makes in all the more impressive but still all of the above does not make Charuto the clear cut winner.

All the people who argue that Charuto was impressive in beating up Carlos Newton are right, that was dam impressive but by comparion, Hughes FINISHED Newton in their rematch to all those who whine about Hughes being boring and not a finisher (Hughes was the first and still only fighter to put away Mach Sakurai aswell).

I just look forward to CHARUTO vs. TRIGG and it could def. throw a wrench into the division in Trigg wins.

As Hughes himself said again, Trigg just beat the man who beat Hughes twice but Hughes of course beat Trigg. Trigg now has the chance to the man who have Hughes all he could handle aswell.

I think though that Trigg matches up better with Charuto than Hughes. Trigg has showed excellent ability to handle BJJ fighters from JJ Machado in MMA to Renzo Gracie in Abu Dhabi (no striking AND Trigg was still green to subs then but still was not submitted and lost a controversial decision).

Trigg may also punch harder than Hughes in the GNP department so I cant wait for that fight.

Great post Wasa b. I agree with you completely. Hughes played it very conservative and threw very few "bombs" but did work some G-n-P. Hopefully there will be a rematch someday.

I think most people (myself included) called robbery because two of the judges had it 30-27. I knew it was a close fight and could have gone either way but 30-27? How can anybody justify Hughes winning round 1?

Succh, I knew there was something i was forgetting about Mach but was too lazy to check Sherdog.com.

I guess that true but not really a finish in the true sense of a KO, ref stoppage due to punishment or submission.

Yelm, I completely agree that 30-27 is utter horse crap and that HAS to be addressed for anyone to be a MMA judge.

On the other hand, though, in comparison, Charuto winning round 1 was more clear, one judge gave the decision to Nick Diaz in his fight with Karo.

I dont see any way anyone could not have scored that fight 2-1 Karo. Each round was definitive for the winner but it was only a split decision for Karo. None of the same people complained about that.

Its funny how when people only complain about judging when it involves a fighter from "your style." If you are a true MMA fan, then you should make some noise on all BS decisions to hopefully it will happen less and less to all deserving winners.

Wasa is correct.

ANother BJJ hating post from the infamous judo troll wasa-b

"Kevin Randleman has won all of his fights via judoka" - Wasa-B

I did not see rd 3 but I gave rd 1 to Karo and rd 2 to Diaz. If rd 3 ws Karo then I would disagree with the judge giving it to Diaz. I am opposed to all bs decisions. Fortunately the UFC seems to be much clearer than Pride in judging.

How is he hating on BJJ? He is saying the fight was judged wrongly and said it was a draw, which is obviously better than the loss the judges gave him. Good post from a bjj nutrider saying that if you don't think Charuto won that fight then you are blind. This was the most objective post I have read concerning this fight.

Its ok, Yelm, certain people will always make things up on the UG, where would we be without it?

But, if you think about it, how gay is it when little shits have to resort to making up entire quotes from scratch to try and make a point?

The kid still pissed cuz I keep making fun an actual quote of his:

"How is an armbar from guard, judo?"

By the way, no where no this thread, does it mention "judo" until Slybooger showed up.

How "infamous" I am!

lol... hand in hand with ur fag friend

How in the world did I become gay, or his friend? I agreed with his opinion, I did not take him out to dinner. You take this site too seriously.

Keep trolling little boy.

i judged it for charuto

lol at yelm

verissimo

For those who gave it to Charuto, how did you score it and do you disagree that round 2 was close?

Charuto could only win by submission.

Do you really think the golden boy is going to lose a decision? If charuto wins dana doesnt really have any hype for upcoming fights. Now he can start marketing hughes again.

Its all about the $$$$$$

Charuto won rounds 1 and 2. Round 2 was close, but Charuto came close with atleast an armbar attempt. The problem with giving it to Hughes, is that Matt made no improvements in position on the ground. He never passed gaurd, he never made a good effort to even pass.

  1. His punches from the gaurd were NOT effective. Its one thing if he was GNP'ng with effective blows but he wasnt. Thats why I gave it to Charuto...

S-Booger: I cant remember exactly but I think Hughes got halfguard every round. Not saying he did a helluva lot with it each time but that throws out the "made no improvements in position on the ground."

I also dont remember any close sub attempts in round 2 by either. Charuto may have been going for one but I dont think any were "close" or enough to be a "catch" imo.

I'll probably rewatch tonight again.

You could also say that Charuto's sub attempts were "NOT effective" either in round 2. They may have put Hughes on the defensive (which def. counts for offense/aggression but GNP does not have to actually connect to be counted on that same criteria either imo).

Either way, my main point was that the fight came down to one close round and imo it was a close enough round to go either way which doesnt constitute a robbery either way as many were calling it.

How do you think Trigg/Charuto will go?

Trigg Charuto will be a lot better fight imo. Trigg is a lot more aggressive and that could lead to more openings for Charuto. The stand up will be interesting as well, I give the edge to Charuto standing.

This fight is very interesting and kind of depressing in lots of ways.

Hughes is my favourite fighter in MMA. He brings a sense of domination and power to the game that few others can match. His ability to put away BJJ fighters was both a positive and a negative, as someone who trains BJJ with a great deal of passion, he was my anti-christ, my arch-nemesis.

I've rarely seen a fight that deserves a draw decision as much as that one.

In rewatching, I don't think Charuto should have got a 10-8 round in the first. I don't think sub attempts can buy a 10-8 round, but he won the second as well, which gave him 2 rounds to one.

Moreso this match was about where we want the sport to go. Submission attempts are one of the few defining factors in MMA over other combat sports, and fighters should be rewarded for going for them. And in this sense I believe Charuto should have won... However, in a "who would have won the streetfight", as I do with most MMA matches, I believe Hughes should have taken it. At the end of the day though, this is a sport, and Charuto should have won the sport fight that occured.

I think Charuto (and hope), he comes out and does the same thing to Trigg - Try submissions. If he does, he can win a decision.