T1LT - Still no credit given to Werdum is a fucking joke.
Deal with it.
Thingading -This.T1LT - Still no credit given to Werdum is a fucking joke.
Deal with it.
Eeeeeeerrrrrrm, who here has given no credit to Werdum? If anything, people are giving him props. There was merely a harmless question posed of what people think would have happened to Fedor's career had he happened to win that fight. That's all.
Deal with it.
Thingading - What do you think would have happened with his career from that point?Werdum got hit in the shoulder and pretended to get dropped so that Fedor would go into his guard
Both he and Werdum's next fights were in the Strikeforce HW Grand Prix tournament. Fedor fought Antonio Silva and got battered pretty badly and then lost by KO for the only time in his career to Hendo. I don't know if he would have been paired against a different opponent than Silva in the 1st round of the tourney or not if he had defeated Werdum (who fought Alistair in the 1st round of the HW Grand Prix).
He got beat pretty decisively by Antonio Silva and then Hendo did what Hendo does against him. But, I'm not sure he would have even fought these guys had he defeated Werdum.
Fedor had Werdum hurt with a quick and heavy barrage of punches, where the Brazilian fell to his back. I think Fedor thought he was almost out (I remember thinking Werdum was either out or on his way to going out) and went for the finish, but Werdum was just conscious enough to keep his composure, and got an over anxious Fedor with the sub.
But I still wonder what would have happened if Fedor had not been caught. I'm sure he would have likely lost down the road, but to who? Also, if the loss to Werdum affected both his and Antonio Silva's confidence and might have played a role in that fight. I don't know.
Any thoughts or opinions on how you think Fedor would have fared IF he had not lost to Werdum?
Every fighter has his window. Fedor's was and forever will be one of the most important in MMA. Istory, however, it's hard to speculate. I think he could have beaten Werdum, certainly in a rematch but who knows. Either way guy is a GOAT
I respect Werdum and he is one guy who has always shown improvement even with age, Much respect to him. But that was Fedors fight to lose, everyone knows it.
“Years ago we hardly had anything to eat. Now I earn more money and I see every opponent as a man that tries to put me back to that poorer period. That man has to be eliminated.”
The man in that period in that mind frame with that physical ability would have mauled everyone he lost to. If you watched him closely thoughout his career(while it was happening you would understand.
Like I said, Barnett never wanted to fight Fedor and Sergei was part of his camp.
Herb Dean shit the bed in the Hendo fight. Too early of a stoppage.
Sastan -Barry_BondsMVP -
he was protected in Pride? What HW's did Fedor or Pride avoid?
Barnett didn't want it
Mirko had lost to Randleman, which prolonged their eventual fight
Sergei and Fedor were buddies
after Pride-
Couture had contract issues
Barnett failed a drug test
but to answer the OP's question, I think down the line he would of eventually lost, once he started coming to America doing interviews and making movies back home...I figured he was getting too comfortable and the hunger was going. It was said after Barnett failed the drug test, Fedor pretty much got lazy in training, he barely trained for Arlovski because of the movie he was filming.
Fedor was not afraid of anyone, and rightfully so.
He did not fight active Pride heavyweights in the top 10 such Sergei Kharitonov, Fabricio Werdum and Josh Barnett. And if you're looking at the period, the other half of the top 10 at the time were in the UFC so they obviously couldn't fight.
Not Fedor's fault (though in the second half of his Pride run his management have a lot of blame), but Fedor didn't finish half the top 10 heavyweights in his 4 years as champ.
Let's put it this way: Fedor fought in Pride 14 times, and only defended his belt 3 times.
I'm not trying to slam on Fedor's abilities or amazing talent and ferocity as a fighter. I just don't subscribe to his unbeatable-in-his-prime mystique that has grown up around him. Nogueira, the first Pride champ, also had that invincible aura at the time, and guess what, he fought multiple cans after winning the belt.
I think Anderson Silva is the only fighter who managed to clear out his division without a loss for almost five years, fighting the best of the best consecutively.
Sastan -John 'nottheface' Nash -Sastan - Fedor would have had losses in career a decade ago if he wasn't sheltered by Pride.
Don't get me wrong, he was one of the best every. However, his Pride career was mostly padded by fighting cans. After smashing Nogueira and becoming the Pride heavyweight champion, here are his next four opponents:
Egidijus Valavicius
Kazuyuki Fujita
Gary Goodridge
Yuji Nagata
Imagine if the UFC had Brock Lesnar pad his record like this after winning the heavyweight title...he'd probably still be champion at this point.
Fans don't like to admit it, but in his 4 years Fedor only defended his Pride Heavyweight Championship against 2 opponents who were top 10 heavyweights at the time. (3 if you include Mark Coleman, which is debateable). The only time in his life he fought 3 consecutive top 10 fighters in a row were also the period in which he lost 3x in a row.
Anyway, commence the downvotes :(
Sure he fought a lot of gimme fights, but he also just fought a lot more than what UFC fighters do. In his 4 1/2 years in PRIDE he went 16-0-1 and fought Semmy, Herring, Big Nog twice (3rd was an NC), Coleman, Cro Cop, and Hunt, all top 10 HWs at the time. In Cain's 6 1/2 years he's gone 11-1 and beaten 6 top 10 HWs. Brock fought in the UFC for 4 years and faced 5 top 10 HWs during that time.
I don't disagree he was an insanely active fighter. My point was that in 4 years as the heavyweight champion he only defended is title against TWO top 10 fighters in Pride, which contributed towards his long reign. Brock Lesnar defended his title againt two top 10 fighters in half that time. If Brock got to fight 4-5 Japanese scrubs between his title fights, he would probably still be heavyweight champ today.
If instead Fedor had to defend his title against top fighters consecutively (as UFC champions do), I don't see that he could remain undefeated in his Pride run.
Cain Velasquez would dominate Fedor, and he has a loss purely because he fights top 5-10 heavyweights over and over again, which is why he'll eventually get a loss again.
I'm a little confused because Fedor actually fought more top 10 HWS during his 4 yr PRIDE career than Cain or Brock have in the UFC. If Fedor would have fought in the UFC maybe he'd have one or two more title defenses but would probably have almost half the overall fights. In the last 5 years Cain has gone 6-1 against top 10 opponents, while Brock went 4-3 overall and 2-2 against top 10 in 4 years. Just because they fought ranked opponents consecutively is that better than Fedor going 16-0 (w/ 1 NC) including 7 top 10 HWS during his 4 year Pride career? Fedor fought just as many top ranked HWs opponents as most other HWs (except Big Nog, his schedule was crazy) but like many others in Pride just fought more in a year than fightets in the UFC did.
