If ISIS Isn't Islamic, Were Crusaders Christian?

If ISIS Isn't Islamic, Were Crusaders Christian?

President Obama this week

[US and other governments need to] confront the warped ideologies espoused by terrorists like al Qaeda and ISIL, especially their attempt to use Islam to justify their violence.  I discussed this at length yesterday.  These terrorists are desperate for legitimacy.  And all of us have a responsibility to refute the notion that groups like ISIL somehow represent Islam, because that is a falsehood that embraces the terrorist narrative. 

 

President Obama earlier this month at a national prayer breakfast:

And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ.  In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.

 

 

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Well they are Islamic. But I still think there's more Muslims Phone Post 3.0

I don't think he's denying that these fuckos are committing acts of terrorism in the name of Islam, he's saying that these terrorist acts shouldn't define the religion as a whole (just as the Crusades shouldn't define Christianity).

I mentioned this is a different forum...

I'm not sure what this fucking guy is trying to accomplish Phone Post 3.0

mixedmartialfarts - 


I don't think he's denying that these fuckos are committing acts of terrorism in the name of Islam, he's saying that these terrorist acts shouldn't define the religion as a whole (just as the Crusades shouldn't define Christianity).



He doesn't actually say that the crusades shouldn't define Christianity.  In fact, it's almost the opposite.  He says that Christians should not criticize Mulsims because Christians participated in the crusades so, in effect, they have unclean hands.

I would say no unless you want to antagonize Christians in which case yes. You really don't see his point? It was the same thing Bush tried to do, and if George Bush is more mature than you, you got problems. There are working toward 2 billion Muslims. If you want throw sand in all their faces, and dare them to all radicalize you're an idiot. If you instead decide to divide and diffuse the situation you're a good strategist.

Both were/are tribalism and nationalism with a religious adhesion. Only real difference is that Islam was founded during conquest. Phone Post 3.0

whaledog - 
mixedmartialfarts - 

I don't think he's denying that these fuckos are committing acts of terrorism in the name of Islam, he's saying that these terrorist acts shouldn't define the religion as a whole (just as the Crusades shouldn't define Christianity).


He doesn't actually say that the crusades shouldn't define Christianity.  In fact, it's almost the opposite.  He says that Christians should not criticize Mulsims because Christians participated in the crusades so, in effect, they have unclean hands.

 

"So how do we, as people of faith, reconcile these realities -- the profound good, the strength, the tenacity, the compassion and love that can flow from all of our faiths, operating alongside those who seek to hijack religious for their own murderous ends?"

 

That's the sentence right before the statement about Christianity and the Crusades.  Seems pretty clear that he's saying that we shouldn't judge any religion based on their extremists.

mixedmartialfarts - 
whaledog - 
mixedmartialfarts - 

I don't think he's denying that these fuckos are committing acts of terrorism in the name of Islam, he's saying that these terrorist acts shouldn't define the religion as a whole (just as the Crusades shouldn't define Christianity).


He doesn't actually say that the crusades shouldn't define Christianity.  In fact, it's almost the opposite.  He says that Christians should not criticize Mulsims because Christians participated in the crusades so, in effect, they have unclean hands.

 

"So how do we, as people of faith, reconcile these realities -- the profound good, the strength, the tenacity, the compassion and love that can flow from all of our faiths, operating alongside those who seek to hijack religious for their own murderous ends?"

 


That's the sentence right before the statement about Christianity and the Crusades.  Seems pretty clear that he's saying that we shouldn't judge any religion based on their extremists.


How dare you put that in context.

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whaledog - 
mixedmartialfarts - 

I don't think he's denying that these fuckos are committing acts of terrorism in the name of Islam, he's saying that these terrorist acts shouldn't define the religion as a whole (just as the Crusades shouldn't define Christianity).


He doesn't actually say that the crusades shouldn't define Christianity.  In fact, it's almost the opposite.  He says that Christians should not criticize Mulsims because Christians participated in the crusades so, in effect, they have unclean hands.

 

"So how do we, as people of faith, reconcile these realities -- the profound good, the strength, the tenacity, the compassion and love that can flow from all of our faiths, operating alongside those who seek to hijack religious for their own murderous ends?"

 


That's the sentence right before the statement about Christianity and the Crusades.  Seems pretty clear that he's saying that we shouldn't judge any religion based on their extremists.

He then said get off your high horse and went straight after Christians....

....Christians (or anybody religious) aren't the only people disturbed and appalled by burning people alive.

Why even say that? It's a cheap deflection that does nothing to help out anybody. Phone Post 3.0

attjack - 
mixedmartialfarts - 
whaledog - 
mixedmartialfarts - 

I don't think he's denying that these fuckos are committing acts of terrorism in the name of Islam, he's saying that these terrorist acts shouldn't define the religion as a whole (just as the Crusades shouldn't define Christianity).


He doesn't actually say that the crusades shouldn't define Christianity.  In fact, it's almost the opposite.  He says that Christians should not criticize Mulsims because Christians participated in the crusades so, in effect, they have unclean hands.

 

"So how do we, as people of faith, reconcile these realities -- the profound good, the strength, the tenacity, the compassion and love that can flow from all of our faiths, operating alongside those who seek to hijack religious for their own murderous ends?"

 


That's the sentence right before the statement about Christianity and the Crusades.  Seems pretty clear that he's saying that we shouldn't judge any religion based on their extremists.


How dare you put that in context.

What needs to be put into context is the fact that the crusades happened 1000 years ago.

ISIS is behaving exactly as early Muslims did when they took over the Middle East.

Crusaders on the other hand violated just about all of the teachings of Christ. Phone Post 3.0

buzzkil -
attjack - 
mixedmartialfarts - 
whaledog - 
mixedmartialfarts - 

I don't think he's denying that these fuckos are committing acts of terrorism in the name of Islam, he's saying that these terrorist acts shouldn't define the religion as a whole (just as the Crusades shouldn't define Christianity).


He doesn't actually say that the crusades shouldn't define Christianity.  In fact, it's almost the opposite.  He says that Christians should not criticize Mulsims because Christians participated in the crusades so, in effect, they have unclean hands.

 

"So how do we, as people of faith, reconcile these realities -- the profound good, the strength, the tenacity, the compassion and love that can flow from all of our faiths, operating alongside those who seek to hijack religious for their own murderous ends?"

 


That's the sentence right before the statement about Christianity and the Crusades.  Seems pretty clear that he's saying that we shouldn't judge any religion based on their extremists.


How dare you put that in context.

What needs to be put into context is the fact that the crusades happened 1000 years ago.
Yeah but that Christian shooting rampage in Norway happened recently. And we have been bombing the fuck out all kinds of non christian countries consistently for decade after decade. So lets condemn all Christians and see where that gets us. Phone Post 3.0

That dumb motherfucker has no idea what the Crusades were about. To compare that to people kidnapping, torturing, and murdering innocent people including women and children is beyond moronic and not too surprising. Obama is an atheist in the weakest of Christian clothing.

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http://youtu.be/I_To-cV94Bo
Jihad VS Crusades Phone Post 3.0

sadic1 - That dumb motherfucker has no idea what the Crusades were about. To compare that to people kidnapping, torturing, and murdering innocent people including women and children is beyond moronic and not too surprising. Obama is an atheist in the weakest of Christian clothing.
What were they about? Just curious. Phone Post 3.0

sadic1 - That dumb motherfucker has no idea what the Crusades were about. To compare that to people kidnapping, torturing, and murdering innocent people including women and children is beyond moronic and not too surprising. Obama is an atheist in the weakest of Christian clothing.
Because the Crusaders made every effort to avoid harming innocents, right?

Obama never said that ISIS wasn't Islamic. He said they don't represent Islam. If you don't see the difference, you suck at English. Phone Post 3.0

The trouble is that people throw the word "Crusades" around and only know it from the movies or a 10 second sound bite.

The context of the crusades was that the mohammed was conquering the old byzantine empire and massacring the eastern church members. They asked the western catholic church to come and help them fight off the muslims.
Yes, the crusaders were Christian (catholic) and were barbaric as well. Both groups were barbaric. that's the way they fought wars. Heck, want to see barbaric, read about how the Japanese went through China...

If people would realize that the muslims were attacking the old byzantine empire and would eventually threaten Europe by going into spain, parts of France, venice, attacking eastern Europe, this attacking the crusaders would not be happening.

Obama would not be able to handle someone reminding him that the same reasons that Boka Haran and ISIS gives for how the conduct themselves, is the same reasons that the Barbary pirates give when Thomas Jefferson fought them.