"JoeHurley - The majority of people still don't understand that win/loss records are just a small part of the equation for bigger paydays. Promoting a fight and drawing attention is a much bigger factor. Bring attention and big crowds and you will bring in more money. Brock Lesnar was a huge draw after a handful of fights. Don't know why this concept is so hard to grasp. Even the Kardashians understand this."
I have to read a few times hoping maybe I can grasp. Thanks for your insight on how the 0 is just a small part of the equation. Although no-one has matched Mayweather, apparently what he does is so simple the Kardashian's could be professional fighters. Did I grasp it? The 46 wins in a row over almost a 20 year period, flawless record, and being the unbeatable fighter means nothing (or means very little and is a small part of the equation -- ahaha). You're right, the concept is just too hard to grasp. It's simple stuff that gets Mayweather his paydays (even without a 46-0 record).
Gotcha buddy. Maybe fighters should hire the Kardashians as fight promoters. Thanks for your two.
Fedor was offered what was rumored to be a 5 million dollar contract. Fedor obviously had figured out what the Kardashians figured out and it was all his crazy promotion, changing his name to Money Fedor, and hooking up with basketball and rap stars, and his reality shows. That's definitely the major part of the equation.
It had nothing to do with him being technically unbeaten and thought of as indestructible (photos of Fedor as a robot anyone). Even to this day, Fedor's reputation is based off the bad asses he beat, and how he did it so easy and flawlessly.
Funny stuff. Fedor wasn't a freak show, and neither is Mayweather. The real deals. Julio Cesar Chavez (at one point 89-0), one of the most celebrated mexican fighters, nearly helped create Oscar Dela Hoya. Why? Because Oscar Dela Hoya knocked him out. And Oscar, being a great fighter, ended up putting Pacman and Mayweather over the top.
Rocky Marciano is so celebrated because he kept his 0.
People pay to see perfection, or see perfection fail. And yes, personality means something, but Chael could do everything in his power to promote himself, without the record or unbeatable behind his talk, it's simply a circus show.
ILoveWatchingJonesBoneShogun - The difference is someone in boxing can go 30-0 and you can say they fought nothing but bums. You win 3 fights in a row in the UFC you are forced to fight the best
I agree with this. The closest we had was Fedor, now Jones and Rousey.
...double
Does that "1" on JBJ's record drive anybody else crazy? Probably takes pressure off of him while simultaneously pissing him off as well
rockfists - "JoeHurley - The majority of people still don't understand that win/loss records are just a small part of the equation for bigger paydays. Promoting a fight and drawing attention is a much bigger factor. Bring attention and big crowds and you will bring in more money. Brock Lesnar was a huge draw after a handful of fights. Don't know why this concept is so hard to grasp. Even the Kardashians understand this."
I have to read a few times hoping maybe I can grasp. Thanks for your insight on how the 0 is just a small part of the equation. Although no-one has matched Mayweather, apparently what he does is so simple the Kardashian's could be professional fighters. Did I grasp it? The 46 wins in a row over almost a 20 year period, flawless record, and being the unbeatable fighter means nothing (or means very little and is a small part of the equation -- ahaha). You're right, the concept is just too hard to grasp. It's simple stuff that gets Mayweather his paydays (even without a 46-0 record).
Gotcha buddy. Maybe fighters should hire the Kardashians as fight promoters. Thanks for your two.
Fedor was offered what was rumored to be a 5 million dollar contract. Fedor obviously had figured out what the Kardashians figured out and it was all his crazy promotion, changing his name to Money Fedor, and hooking up with basketball and rap stars, and his reality shows. That's definitely the major part of the equation.
It had nothing to do with him being technically unbeaten and thought of as indestructible (photos of Fedor as a robot anyone). Even to this day, Fedor's reputation is based off the bad asses he beat, and how he did it so easy and flawlessly.
Funny stuff. Fedor wasn't a freak show, and neither is Mayweather. The real deals. Julio Cesar Chavez (at one point 89-0), one of the most celebrated mexican fighters, nearly helped create Oscar Dela Hoya. Why? Because Oscar Dela Hoya knocked him out. And Oscar, being a great fighter, ended up putting Pacman and Mayweather over the top.
Rocky Marciano is so celebrated because he kept his 0.
People pay to see perfection, or see perfection fail. And yes, personality means something, but Chael could do everything in his power to promote himself, without the record or unbeatable behind his talk, it's simply a circus show.
Why say "Im your opinion..." in your first post then act like such a dick when I post my opinion? Still butthurt over previous discussions? You take this forum way too serious.
There are just too many ways to lose in mma. In boxing, there is one game.
In mma, there are multitudes of games. Its really really hard to compare the 2. Wrestling, BJJ, kickboxing, boxing, karate, judo, etc and every once in a while some weird combination like machida with his karate/bjj/sumo background. 
Letibleu -
I'm riding with this guy. Thread is way crazy!!
The reason why Mayweather makes the big bucks is because he is Dana White, a UFC marketing exec and Anderson Silva rolled into one.
If mma guys owned their own promotion, promoted themselves as well and always won they could make comparable money. But they don't, because there is a lot more people taking a piece of a smaller pie.
It is more about promotion than record by far. Mayweather wouldn't even see "Mayweather Money" if he didn't know not only how to promote but how to get a piece of EVERYTHING that has to do with the fight. He gets money from every possible source down to the last hot dog sold at the arena. His record is actually a very small part of the overall picture. 
CapnKindBud - You can't be a pussy and constantly run from your opponent in mma!
The gloves are so much smaller and they are much harder to block your face with also. You will eventually have to fire and be fired upon. Floyd would run in the first round or two until he was caught and choked out!
You really have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Floyd doesn't run during fights, he doesn't have to.
Does OP really thing those extra wins would make the difference between a $500,000 payday and a $70,000,000 payday in mma? Not even close man. Not even remotely close!
JoeHurley -I have no idea what you're talking about. Your comment was sideways, I responded accordingly.rockfists - "JoeHurley - The majority of people still don't understand that win/loss records are just a small part of the equation for bigger paydays. Promoting a fight and drawing attention is a much bigger factor. Bring attention and big crowds and you will bring in more money. Brock Lesnar was a huge draw after a handful of fights. Don't know why this concept is so hard to grasp. Even the Kardashians understand this."
I have to read a few times hoping maybe I can grasp. Thanks for your insight on how the 0 is just a small part of the equation. Although no-one has matched Mayweather, apparently what he does is so simple the Kardashian's could be professional fighters. Did I grasp it? The 46 wins in a row over almost a 20 year period, flawless record, and being the unbeatable fighter means nothing (or means very little and is a small part of the equation -- ahaha). You're right, the concept is just too hard to grasp. It's simple stuff that gets Mayweather his paydays (even without a 46-0 record).
Gotcha buddy. Maybe fighters should hire the Kardashians as fight promoters. Thanks for your two.
Fedor was offered what was rumored to be a 5 million dollar contract. Fedor obviously had figured out what the Kardashians figured out and it was all his crazy promotion, changing his name to Money Fedor, and hooking up with basketball and rap stars, and his reality shows. That's definitely the major part of the equation.
It had nothing to do with him being technically unbeaten and thought of as indestructible (photos of Fedor as a robot anyone). Even to this day, Fedor's reputation is based off the bad asses he beat, and how he did it so easy and flawlessly.
Funny stuff. Fedor wasn't a freak show, and neither is Mayweather. The real deals. Julio Cesar Chavez (at one point 89-0), one of the most celebrated mexican fighters, nearly helped create Oscar Dela Hoya. Why? Because Oscar Dela Hoya knocked him out. And Oscar, being a great fighter, ended up putting Pacman and Mayweather over the top.
Rocky Marciano is so celebrated because he kept his 0.
People pay to see perfection, or see perfection fail. And yes, personality means something, but Chael could do everything in his power to promote himself, without the record or unbeatable behind his talk, it's simply a circus show.
Why say "Im your opinion..." in your first post then act like such a dick when I post my opinion? Still butthurt over previous discussions? You take this forum way too serious.
The Sultan - There are just too many ways to lose in mma. In boxing, there is one game.Agreed. Fedor may be the closest we ever see to perfection. If Rhonda beats cyborg, who knows.
In mma, there are multitudes of games. Its really really hard to compare the 2. Wrestling, BJJ, kickboxing, boxing, karate, judo, etc and every once in a while some weird combination like machida with his karate/bjj/sumo background.
sgotwalks -Op believes to this day Rocky Marciano is heralded because of his 0. He really neat a lot of fucking bums and a very old Joe Louis.
Does OP really thing those extra wins would make the difference between a $500,000 payday and a $70,000,000 payday in mma? Not even close man. Not even remotely close!
Is this concept really that far fetched that it gets rolfcopters? That's crazy. Fuck it.
"he really beat...."
Been drinking and on mobile. My bad. I will not be able to argue properly until down time at work tomorrow. Cheers my bruhs.
rockfists - I do get that in MMA there is no room for error. One mistake and it's over. I think the less knowledgeable fan looking for the super fighter, may never really get that because of the level of perfection needed to have a perfect record.
A boxer can make a mistake, get lit up, and even knocked down. Instead of being attacked and finished, he is given 9 seconds to get his wits back. IF the boxer is more skilled, and makes less mistakes, he can still easily win the fight. In MMA, you can have the most talented lose the fight, simply by making one mistake or getting hit with one spinning backfist.
I understand why there are not fighters 46-0, but I do think that if a fighter could go flawless for 30+ fights, the money he'd make would skyrocket. I also do not believe he'd need a promotional company any longer. Although he'd probably need to be in a promotion to get top 10 fights (we've seen this before with Fedor).
My opinion.
Renan Barao lost his first fight and then went flawless for his next 32 fights and was still one of, if not the, least paid champion.
ILiveinMMA2 -Good call. I thought about him when talking about Bernard Hopkins.rockfists - I do get that in MMA there is no room for error. One mistake and it's over. I think the less knowledgeable fan looking for the super fighter, may never really get that because of the level of perfection needed to have a perfect record.
A boxer can make a mistake, get lit up, and even knocked down. Instead of being attacked and finished, he is given 9 seconds to get his wits back. IF the boxer is more skilled, and makes less mistakes, he can still easily win the fight. In MMA, you can have the most talented lose the fight, simply by making one mistake or getting hit with one spinning backfist.
I understand why there are not fighters 46-0, but I do think that if a fighter could go flawless for 30+ fights, the money he'd make would skyrocket. I also do not believe he'd need a promotional company any longer. Although he'd probably need to be in a promotion to get top 10 fights (we've seen this before with Fedor).
My opinion.
Renan Barao lost his first fight and then went flawless for his next 32 fights and was still one of, if not the, least paid champion.
Reminds me of Mayweather before the fought Zab Judah. Amazing, no losses, but only the hardcore fans knew who he was fighting. Mayweather wasn't making 10 million ±±± until after his Dela Hoya fight.
De la Hoya lost to Sugar Shane twice, Hopkins, and Pacquiao. They all went on to have major paydays. Maybe MMA is missing that type of fighter. Beating Fedor didn't have the same effect for any of the fighters that beat him.
Maybe I'm wrong and this thread is a roflcopter.
rockfists -sgotwalks -Does OP really thing those extra wins would make the difference between a $500,000 payday and a $70,000,000 payday in mma? Not even close man. Not even remotely close!
<span class="User-195322" id="userPost50559652">Op believes to this day Rocky Marciano is heralded because of his 0. He really neat a lot of fucking bums and a very old Joe Louis.<br /> <br /> <strong>Is this concept really that far fetched that it gets rolfcopters?</strong> That's crazy. Fuck it. <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></span></blockquote>
Damn that made laugh!
Hamill defeated Jones
If MMA fighter 46-0, he get Maywether money?
No
As Joe Hurley stated, its not about the record, its about promoting yourself. As The Sultan stated, fighters in MMA have too many ways to lose and records like that will be few and far between. Most importantly, I am stating, the UFC has controll of everything. You can not promote an event at this time, built around yourself the way Floyd does. Its either UFC or the B-leagues. As long as Zuffa owns the sport like they do, you will get paid what they want to pay you.