IFL is terrible... Re: Monte

Seriously, fuck these guys...

From MMAWeekly:

Just days after both Ben Rothwell and Mike Whitehead were officially dropped from the International Fight League Grand Prix many stories started circulating questioning the reasons behind their respective exits from the event.

When Kurt Otto, commissioner of the IFL, on Tuesday announced that Rothwell and Whitehead were out, he also indicated that he felt his event was being "held hostage" by the fighters and their management.

MMAWeekly spoke to Monte Cox, manager for both Rothwell and Whitehead, who explained the situation from the fighters' side in great detail, much of which differs from Otto's explanation of the situation.

Monte Cox in his own words:

The way this all started you have to go back to a year ago. The IFL wanted to sign everyone to a year contract with a year option. I said I'm not comfortable doing that for people like Ben Rothwell, Jay Hieron and Mike Whitehead. These are guys who have already proven themselves and I think after a year, we're hoping that they do well and I'd like to test them then on the open market. We had some trouble getting that done, but eventually we came to terms and we signed a one-year deal.

When we signed the contract, there was no Grand Prix included. There was no Grand Prix. They hadn't even considered it yet. It's not in the contract. It's not included in any of the bouts that they are supposed to do.

When they came out with the Grand Prix and they announced the names of all the people who were in it, when I first saw my guys, I was like "wow, that's bold!" to list all my guys without even asking me if we're going to compete in it.

I called the IFL and I go, "What's with listing the names?" They go, "Oh no, we're just listing the names who qualified and if they decide not to do it, we'll just change them." And I thought that was an odd procedure, but okay.

Then we got down to where we're a month-and-a-half out from the show and they say, "Hey, if your guys are going to compete in the Grand Prix, they have to sign a new contract." I said, "What?" They go, "Yeah, you have to sign a new deal." And I said, "Well that's interesting; we signed a one-year deal for a reason. Not to come back and then throw that away then sign a new one three months early or four months early."

So they sent us a contract and it ends up it's a two-year contract. It's a one-year with an option and I go, "Hey, we're not going to sign any of these. There is no way we're going to sign on for two more years." They said, "Well, if you don't sign on for two more years, you're out of the Grand Prix." I said, "I guess we're all out of the Grand Prix."

Then about a week or ten days ago, they came back and they said, "We're sending you new contracts and you have two days. You have to sign them in two days or else they're no good."

I look at the contracts and they're one-year deals for Jay Hieron and Mike Whitehead and, honestly, they were pretty good deals. I liked the numbers, I liked the terms that they had on them and I called the guys and went through it and I said, 'I think we ought to sign them. This is good.'"

Ben's numbers were also better, but again, I think Ben's a star. I think he's got a chance to make a lot of money in the sport and we want to wait until his contract has expired, so I'm free to go out and negotiate other deals and see what I can get on the open market.

I called the IFL office and I said, "Good news. Jay is going to compete. Whitehead is going to compete. They're both going to come in and sign tomorrow.

They said, "What about Ben?" I said, "You know with Ben, I'm still not comfortable. I want to wait until his contract is up and see what he's worth on the open market." They said, "If Ben doesn't sign, the other two are out."

And I said, "What are you talking about?" He goes "Yeah, they're out. It's a package deal." I go, "Are you (expletive) kidding me? Jay Hieron and Mike Whitehead, two guys that have done nothing but fight for you, go out and win for you, qualify for the Grand Prix, and they want to sign a one-year extension and they want to fight in the Grand Prix, but they're out because Ben's not going to sign?"

It was like blackmail. I won't stand for it.

They go, "That's the deal," and I go, "Well, we're all out."

That's the way it stood. I called all the guys and explained it to them and the next day the IFL calls (Jay) Hieron and says, "We need to talk to you in private."

So they come down and get him in a car and talk to him. Hieron calls me and he goes, "Monte, you're not going to believe this. These guys just tried to make me sign a contract in the back of their car." I go, "What?!" and he goes, "They were sitting there trying to tell me I have to sign this. That you did not represent me well and if I knew what was good for me, I'd do this."

I go, "What, are these guys like the Sopranos?" And he goes, "No, I didn't do it. I told them I'm not signing anything without my manager."

So I go, "Well, what happened?" and he goes, "They gave me the contract and said I have till noon tomorrow."

I said to fax it to me. He faxed it to me and it was the same contract we already agreed to. So why are they trying to make him sign something we already said yes to?

As much as I would have loved to have Jay Hieron tell them to take a flying leap, it was a good deal and everything, so I said, "Yeah, go ahead and sign it."

So Jay signed the deal and then (Mike) Whitehead calls me and says. "What about me?"

I go, "Have these guys called you?" and he said no. He said, "I've been trying to call them, but they haven't gotten a hold of me."

So finally Kurt (Otto) got a hold of him and Kurt goes, "Yeah you can sign, you were supposed to sign yesterday. It was a done deal. There was a deadline. Didn't your manager tell you? He knew all about it. He screwed you over."

Mike said, "You'll understand if I tend to believe Monte on this one?" and he goes, "Well, why can't I sign right now? Hieron is signing right now." And (Otto) said, "Oh no, the deadline passed.

The bottom line is Mike Whitehead has done nothing but good things for this group. He went on a crappy team. He was the only one that stood out on that team. He makes the Grand Prix. He wants to fight in the Grand Prix. He wants to fight in the league next year. He's ready to sign the new deal and now that they got their butts hurt over Ben (Rothwell) not signing like they wanted, Whitehead's got to be sacrificed? He's going to take the pressure for this? I've never heard anything more juvenile in my life. And that's the way it stands now. They're out of the Grand Prix.

Now they're coming back, I'm hearing, "Oh, they're just out of the Grand Prix. They can both re-sign for 2008."

Well, Mike Whitehead has a better chance of becoming an astronaut than going back to the IFL after the way they just treated him.

It's like he said, "You've got to have some dignity. Obviously they don't give a (expletive) about me. Obviously I'm expendable. They don't like me for whatever reason. I don't want to fight for people like that."

So much for the IFL's "we care more about fighters" stand.

With all of this going on, rumors have circulated that the IFL believed a deal was already in place and that was why, when the deal wasn't finalized, that the fighters were dropped from the Grand Prix. Cox commented on that point as well:

Kurt Otto, I hear he keeps claiming, "Oh, we had a deal. We had Rothwell. We'd agreed."

Come on, this is business. Until a guy signs a dotted line, you don't have a deal. Anyone who doesn't understand that, they better not be running a company.

There were times that I told him, "Yeah, this looks good. We're thinking of heading back to the IFL." But in the end, after talking to Ben, we decided it's in our best interest to just wait and see what they have

They have a 180-day matching clause. They don't have to get all upset. If we get a legitimate deal, they have a chance to match it. So they can keep Ben if they want him. They're just not getting him on their terms and that seems to be a little bit too much for them to handle.

From Cox's statement, it seems a foregone conclusion that Whitehead is unlikely to return to the IFL, but what about heavyweight standout Ben Rothwell?

Ben hasn't been happy with the IFL for a while. He wasn't happy when he fought Ricco Rodriguez because Ricco spit in his face and no one cared. No one did anything about it. That bothered him. He just doesn't feel like they care.

Both fighters are still under contract through 2007 and cannot negotiate with another organization until year's end.

Monte's character is beyond reproach, at least in my eyes - what a bunch of fucking shysters!

That sucks. I really thought that the IFL was doing good things for these guys.

I think Monte is playing a bit too much of the victim here. He probably figured he would have the IFL over a barrely by waiting until the last minute to sign. He even acknoledges that he lead them on with his "Yeah, this looks good. We're thinking of heading back to the IFL." I particularly like this: "Come on, this is business. Until a guy signs a dotted line, you don't have a deal. Anyone who doesn't understand that, they better not be running a company." So a person's word means nothing??

Losing reveals character. The IFL is losing big time and this is how the
promotion deals with the pressure and reality of failure. In the beginning
it was easy to make the IFL a love fest between promoter and fighter.

Now the ship is sinking and it is every man for himself.

If Monte says it, it is what it is.

tl;dr

Good for Ben Rothwell moving on to bigger and better things.

I'm sure it did go down a little different than how Monte tells it. like andre said, Monte all but admits they had a verbal agreement in place and that he broke it

but whatever the circumstances, i don't know why people would be in a hurry to sign up exclusively with a company that won't be around in a year

http://samcaplan.proelite.com/62053

More in depth^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

TBidness

wtf

Whats funny is when Otto tried to tell his side on Sherdog, he flat-out confirmed that he tried to use Whitehead and Heiron's contracts as leverage to get Rothwell and that the only deal he had with Monte regarding Ben in the IFL for the Grand Prix/beyond his current contract was verbal/handshake (not exactly binding).

It certainly looks like a promoter being sour and unfair and a manager merely looking out for the best interests of his fighters.

And who gets screwed the most? Of course, the fighters (Whitehead). Ugh.

When there is an issue between a promoter and manager, the usually keep it just that.

Not bringing fighters into it as leverage, like this is some sort of power play.

Fucking bullshit.

Sam Caplan: When I had spoke to Kurt, his position was that there was a verbal commitment from you that all three fighters would re-sign for 2008 and that when it came time to finalize those agreements and put it in writing that there was a disconnect.

Monte Cox: Well, maybe. Anyone who knows Kurt knows that Kurt hears what Kurt wants to hear. And Kurt has been on me with this Rothwell thing for quite awhile. The bottom line is that it doesn't matter what I tell Kurt. I could go "Yes, it's 100% (that) we're signing." If Ben says "I'm not signing," we're not signing.

that's pretty much what andre was talking about right there. Monte doesn't sound totally innocent in this at all

"the only deal he had with Monte regarding Ben in the IFL for the Grand Prix/beyond his current contract was verbal/handshake (not exactly binding)"

verbal agreements are actually just as legally binding as written ones.

Couple of points...

We're talking about two different things. I was never asked by anybody if Jay and Mike were going to fight in the Grand Prix and sign a deal for next year. Their names were simply put out as being in the GP and we were never asked anything.

Then, I get a call saying they would have to sign a contract for 2008 if they were going to fight. I called the fighters, told them the siuation, and started asking about pay... I was told they were working on it.

A week or so later, I got the numbers and noticed then the deals included a one year option, or were for two years... this was never mentioned. I told them we wouldn't sign anything like that.

Then, weeks later, we got new numbers, but still 2 years... I said no, and the next day I got new numbers, now 1-year deals, and a deadline to sign.

I called, said yes for Mike and Jay, and was told that it was a package deal... that if Ben didn't sign, the others were out... first time that was mentioned.

On Rothwell, I definitely intended to look at signing with the IFL... but we always spoke in generalities... never any solid numbers... never anything on paper... I would say "that sounds good," but if that's a verbal agreement then we have problems.

At one point, Kurt told me and Ben that he had a verbal commitment from me and Ben's parents... like any of us could verbally commit for Ben.

Nope. The real Kurt came out in this one and we're not buying what he's selling.

Wow - he's really going to drive the organization into the ground trying to screw the fighters over like this!

Thanks for setting the record straight Monte, it's unfortunate that the IFL is going in this direction.

that's not a binding oral contract.  free legal advise.

No shit, a verbal agreement for tens of thousands of dollars if not a couple hundred for a long term deal. LFMAO

I feel bad for Mike Whitehead, he was fighting very well in the IFL. Hopefully he will get paid by Bodog or somebody that treats fighters better.

if what Monty says is true, and i have no reason to doubt him, then Kurt Otto = teh suck!