Posted this on the UG, but they're a bunch of cunts who don't like conversation:
Just looking at a different angle on all the Jon Jones stuff.
First off, I think he's the greatest fighter ever. Need to see him really tested to cement that, but the Gus fight was a legit test and he persevered. I still believe Fedor is God but there's no doubting Jones' excellence.
He did coke, probably did it the night he beat DC (just before the McDonalds). - Big deal, he's still undisputed one of the GOAT fighters.
I want to talk about why he claims to be "Christian"?
He's said recently that he tried to appear to be a wholesome person because there a Christians looking up to him.
Why does anybody who lives a less than Christlike life claim to be Christian?
This isn't about Jon Jones, it's about people who are openly Christian but don't live a pure life.
If you truly believe that a good, honest, Christian life will grant you access to heaven, so much so that you are willing to tell everybody who will listen that you're a good Christian, why would you jeopardize your shot at heaven by doing dumb shit?
If I truly believed that I could live forever in eternal bliss, I would feed starving children in Africa directly from my mouth all day every day.
It's just odd to me why people who claim to truly believe don't live a pure life. 
Praise The Lord!!!
TFK_likatiga - Posted this on the UG, but they're a bunch of cunts who don't like conversation:
Just looking at a different angle on all the Jon Jones stuff.
First off, I think he's the greatest fighter ever. Need to see him really tested to cement that, but the Gus fight was a legit test and he persevered. I still believe Fedor is God but there's no doubting Jones' excellence.
He did coke, probably did it the night he beat DC (just before the McDonalds). - Big deal, he's still undisputed one of the GOAT fighters.
I want to talk about why he claims to be "Christian"?
He's said recently that he tried to appear to be a wholesome person because there a Christians looking up to him.
Why does anybody who lives a less than Christlike life claim to be Christian?
This isn't about Jon Jones, it's about people who are openly Christian but don't live a pure life.
If you truly believe that a good, honest, Christian life will grant you access to heaven, so much so that you are willing to tell everybody who will listen that you're a good Christian, why would you jeopardize your shot at heaven by doing dumb shit?
If I truly believed that I could live forever in eternal bliss, I would feed starving children in Africa directly from my mouth all day every day.
It's just odd to me why people who claim to truly believe don't live a pure life.
Ya, those who claim belief are usually deemed self righteous thus scrutinized heavily. That being said, there is a saying, "the church is not a museum for saints but a hospital for sinners". This said, I am an agnostic individual myself.
Common misconception about xtians: They don't claim to be without sin. On the contrary, they admit they are powerless to stop sinning. 
Living a good life has nothing to do with going to heaven. Accept Jesus as your personal savior and you're all good.
pennviachoke - You hold Christians to a standard no mortal can live up to..that's why Christians repent & can be forgiven for their sins. God knows they will make mistakesI don't really hold them to any standard. I too grew up in something of a Christian environment and nowadays I spend a lot of time with a Jewish "tribe".
Just my 2¢
I don't practice any religion but grew up in a christian home fwiw
I understand the sin / ask for forgiveness / sin / repeat attitude. That's actually the crux of my question I guess.
When does it end? And what's stopping me from living life like an asshole and simply asking for forgiveness on my death bed.
Temptation is a hell of a drug
The nature of man is fallen. Sinfulness is hard wired in man and without the graces we receive from the Holy Trinity Christians would succumb completely to vice and mortal sin. Jon may have a sincere love for Christ and a strong desire to live a holy life but his will may be weak. Money and fame can do quite a bit to corrupt even the stoutest resolve. The good news is that Jon can reconcile with God, perform penance and ask Jesus to help him sin no more. If he is sincere God will help him to overcome.
TFK_likatiga -pennviachoke - You hold Christians to a standard no mortal can live up to..that's why Christians repent & can be forgiven for their sins. God knows they will make mistakesI don't really hold them to any standard. I too grew up in something of a Christian environment and nowadays I spend a lot of time with a Jewish "tribe".
Just my 2¢
I don't practice any religion but grew up in a christian home fwiw
I understand the sin / ask for forgiveness / sin / repeat attitude. That's actually the crux of my question I guess.
When does it end? And what's stopping me from living life like an asshole and simply asking for forgiveness on my death bed.
There's a difference between making an effort and falling short and saying screw it I'm doing whatever I want.
Darup -Where do you draw the line?TFK_likatiga -pennviachoke - You hold Christians to a standard no mortal can live up to..that's why Christians repent & can be forgiven for their sins. God knows they will make mistakesI don't really hold them to any standard. I too grew up in something of a Christian environment and nowadays I spend a lot of time with a Jewish "tribe".
Just my 2¢
I don't practice any religion but grew up in a christian home fwiw
I understand the sin / ask for forgiveness / sin / repeat attitude. That's actually the crux of my question I guess.
When does it end? And what's stopping me from living life like an asshole and simply asking for forgiveness on my death bed.There's a difference between making an effort and falling short and saying screw it I'm doing whatever I want.
Darup -TFK_likatiga -pennviachoke - You hold Christians to a standard no mortal can live up to..that's why Christians repent & can be forgiven for their sins. God knows they will make mistakesI don't really hold them to any standard. I too grew up in something of a Christian environment and nowadays I spend a lot of time with a Jewish "tribe".
Just my 2¢
I don't practice any religion but grew up in a christian home fwiw
I understand the sin / ask for forgiveness / sin / repeat attitude. That's actually the crux of my question I guess.
When does it end? And what's stopping me from living life like an asshole and simply asking for forgiveness on my death bed.There's a difference between making an effort and falling short and saying screw it I'm doing whatever I want.
In the bible the thief that was crucified with Jesus mocked him till the last moment then changed his tune and became redeemed. I don't think there are any statute of limitations in the bible.
Why is doing cocaine not Christian? It's certainly not a sin, it's a retarded law
hingeunhinged - Why the fuck do i always look at these threads.Because you want to go to heaven?
It's shocking to me how many people have no clue how Christianity works
Hammerstein -What makes a person good is realizing they are inherently not good and a genuine desire to be good. Doing good is not the only thing that makes one good.Sogflop - Common misconception about xtians: They don't claim to be without sin. On the contrary, they admit they are powerless to stop sinning.
And yet, I've lost count of the number of times I've heard the phrase "good Christian man/woman/boy/girl/husband/wife". On the other hand, I've rarely heard that phrase used in the same way where Christian was replaced with another creed. It often seems to be presumed that Christian = good. This isn't just something the OP made up.
..Good.
Sogflop -Hammerstein -What makes a person good is realizing they are inherently not good and a genuine desire to be good. Doing good is not the only thing that makes one good.Sogflop - Common misconception about xtians: They don't claim to be without sin. On the contrary, they admit they are powerless to stop sinning.
And yet, I've lost count of the number of times I've heard the phrase "good Christian man/woman/boy/girl/husband/wife". On the other hand, I've rarely heard that phrase used in the same way where Christian was replaced with another creed. It often seems to be presumed that Christian = good. This isn't just something the OP made up.
..Good.
I'm a Christian, but not a very good one.
OGsFuriously -How many "bad" people have you heard say: "But I don't deserve this! I'm a good person!"?Sogflop -Hammerstein -What makes a person good is realizing they are inherently not good and a genuine desire to be good. Doing good is not the only thing that makes one good.Sogflop - Common misconception about xtians: They don't claim to be without sin. On the contrary, they admit they are powerless to stop sinning.
And yet, I've lost count of the number of times I've heard the phrase "good Christian man/woman/boy/girl/husband/wife". On the other hand, I've rarely heard that phrase used in the same way where Christian was replaced with another creed. It often seems to be presumed that Christian = good. This isn't just something the OP made up.
..Good.I'm a Christian, but not a very good one.
Sogflop -OGsFuriously -How many "bad" people have you heard say: "But I don't deserve this! I'm a good person!"?Sogflop -Hammerstein -What makes a person good is realizing they are inherently not good and a genuine desire to be good. Doing good is not the only thing that makes one good.Sogflop - Common misconception about xtians: They don't claim to be without sin. On the contrary, they admit they are powerless to stop sinning.
And yet, I've lost count of the number of times I've heard the phrase "good Christian man/woman/boy/girl/husband/wife". On the other hand, I've rarely heard that phrase used in the same way where Christian was replaced with another creed. It often seems to be presumed that Christian = good. This isn't just something the OP made up.
..Good.I'm a Christian, but not a very good one.
A wise OGer once said, "Remove "I can't" and "I deserve" from your vocabulary."
VU for that nugget.
I think the gates that Jesus spoke about are narrower than most "so called" christians believe..I speak about those in the church and who claim to be Christians yet live their lives like hell and are disobedient to Gods words.
Let me list a few things:
Divorce- You can't divorce somebody just because you are annoyed with them. That is like saying God forgives me but I won't forgive you. That person does not have a heart for God. Also, after divorce any relationship they are in thereafter (whether married or not) God still views that relationship as an adulterous relationship. Repentance means to stop what you are doing and you have to reconcile or stay single the rest of your life! Bottom line don't make a promise "as a Christian" to God you refuse to keep.
That being said I think that most people who are going to church are not saved.
Cheating, lying, stealing, sex before marriage and generally living an unholy life. The Holy Spirit purpose is to bring you to obedience. If you are not being obedient and repentive then I would take a good look in the mirror and wonder if you are even saved.
Last, I don't know why somebody like Jones would proclaim he is a christian if he is a public figure yet wants to live an alternate lifestyle. That is like having a fish on the back of you car and giving people the finger. Heck at least take that fish off the back of your car if you have any sense.
Bottom line is all we have is Gods word (the bible) and not some pastor who misleads people and building a theology around a couple versus and then adding things which are not even in scripture. STOP LISTENING TO MEN AND START READING THE BIBLE.