This should end, but probably won't, arguments on Helio, his development of Jiu Jitsu, and his relationship with Carlos. His words,not Rorion or his children. This interview was held awhile back before Sakuraba and the Gracie defeats. If you were not around at that time or old enough, Sakuraba beating the Gracies was a huge deal.
Anyway, at least you hear it from him, not someone else, and know his side.