Interest Reality Based Training: Tony Blauer

de braco -

he did sell some pretty rad armor for full contact training. The small circle people also used to harp at him saying Wally Jay invented the "SPEAR". Which is also rediculous, since it's just practicing forward inertial movements off the flinch

Which in a way is sort of silly in itself, imagine your walking along miding your rown business, and a spitting cobra suddenly strikes at you. While you are processing this you will have already flinched away from the threat. I can guarantee you cannot modify the flinch to then immediately break into the SPEAR. 

I'm not saying it bad, I'm just saying the doing it after a automatic response like the flinch and immediately getting into the initial SPEAR would probably take hundereds and hundreds of hours with no guarantees of even reacting like that. 

 

WRONG Again! Tony makes S.P.E.A.R  certifiable with proper fiduciary authorizations.

What people do you all consider legit or useful in this area of martial arts?

demandango -

What people do you all consider legit or useful in this area of martial arts?

Well if you are talking reality based training then it would take some good instructors who can run through a bunch of scenarios.  Realistic scenarios will give you the best feedback of what you are prepared for and what you are not.  A decent book about the topic is "Training at the Speed of Life".  In the Tim Ferriss Podcast Jocko talked about the importantce of that as well.

 

In my novice opinio the best skill set training that you can get from a techniques standpoint would be the GST.  I'm not a Gracie but kisser by any means but from what I have seen and what others that know much more that me that seems to be a good place to start. 

 

There use to be a thread about it in the LEO Ground.  Not sure if I can find it.

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/forums/BJJ/Evidence-Based-Self-Defense-System:2015035-1

 

 

Blauer has some good stuff, so does Geoff Thompson and Peyton Quin.

My own RBSD system --Shendokan High Impact Tactics-- is built on the nexus of reflexogenic based tactics and  tactically based reflexes.

We believe that once you neurally engage your tactics, you're able to then tactically engage your neurology. We call this approach the "Neuro- Physio Combative Double Helix" and it's what sets  S.H.I.T.  apart from other so-called "combative" systems.

Plus, we wear cargo pants.

 

 

 

the problem with grwcie combatives stuff is that every responce has to have a jiujitsu-esque boolshit responce, when sometbing like blauer's speear and followup striming is the better option in many cases.

and at the heart of any solution is the question....is the techniques/skills trained under resistance? Teaching a spear type technique as an entry or flinch respoce still requires sparring in the clinch to develop tools to fubar an opponennt or create the pressure to disengage.

shen -


My own RBSD system --Shendokan High Impact Tactics-- is built on the nexus of reflexogenic based tactics and  tactically based reflexes.



We believe that once you neurally engage your tactics, you're able to then tactically engage your neurology. We call this approach the "Neuro- Physio Combative Double Helix" and it's what sets  S.H.I.T.  apart from other so-called "combative" systems.



Plus, we wear cargo pants.



 



 



 

I would sign up for this. But I am a middle aged man so I will have to wear cargo shorts.

Twelve Gage - 
shen -

My own RBSD system --Shendokan High Impact Tactics-- is built on the nexus of reflexogenic based tactics and  tactically based reflexes.

We believe that once you neurally engage your tactics, you're able to then tactically engage your neurology. We call this approach the "Neuro- Physio Combative Double Helix" and it's what sets  S.H.I.T.  apart from other so-called "combative" systems.

Plus, we wear cargo pants.

 

 

 

I would sign up for this. But I am a middle aged man so I will have to wear cargo shorts.

 

What we offer is not for everyone, just a select few.

--Did I mention, we also offer paracord keychains...?

 

Alright, I just watched way too many TFT videos.

A lot of obvious problems with that stuff... like assuming a strike WILL cause injury. If you assume all your strikes will cause major, catastrophic injury --yet alone even just  land-- you are in for a BIG suprise if you get in a fight.

Also, assuming an assailant will have a highly PREDICTABLE response to a given strike is also a big mistake.

Their take on how to hit hard is basic info you would/should learn in ANY striking art, but they drag it out like they are revealing the keys to the universe. Yes, you want to get bodyweight into your strikes. It's not exactly a "secret" you need to pay top dollar for.

Also the "slow motion" training a la Systema & Kung Fu San Soo can get you to believe anything is workable. I've done some slow mo training I thought was good, but not as a major feature of training. It's actually very hard to do slow motion training well; people always have a tendency to cheat the time frames. As a result, time spent on this stuff is often just play fighting and of little value.

I guess if you have no base in SD & MAs, this stuff would seem a lot more interesting

It's not sheer bullshit, like"Hikuta" or whatever, but it lacks a certain honesty, for sure.

 

 

 

I come here for Shen. No joke. 

CUO too actually. 

shen -


Alright, I just watched way too many TFT videos.



A lot of obvious problems with that stuff... like assuming a strike WILL cause injury. If you believe all your strikes will cause major, catastrophic injury --yet alone even just  land-- you are in for a BIG suprise if you get in a fight.



Also, assuming an assailant will have a highly PREDICTABLE response to a given strike is also a big mistake.



Their take on how to hit hard is basic info you would/should learn in ANY striking art, but they drag it out like they are revealing the keys to the universe. Yes, you want to get bodyweight into your strikes. It's not exactly a "secret" you need topay top dollar for.



Also the "slow motion" training a la Systema & Kung Fu San Soo can get you to believe anything is workable. I've done some slow mo training I thought was good, but not as a major feature of training. It's actually very hard to do slow motion training well; people always have a tendency to cheat the time frames. As a result, time spent on this stuff is often just play fighting and of little value.



I guess if you have no base in SD &MAs, this stuff would seem a lot more interesting



It's not sheer bullshit, like"Hikuta" or whatever, but it lacks a certain honesty, for sure.



 



 



 

Hikuta is where knowledge replaces fear, smart guy.

^ Real "Hikuta", sure. But LEGIT Hikuta is as rare as it is deadly.

 

 

True, have to make sure it's from D.O.K Lee lineage. He wasn't called the defender of kings for nothing.

de braco - 

True, have to make sure it's from D.O.K Lee lineage. He wasn't called the defender of kings for nothing.



MOST Hikuta guys are clowns..  but you can really feel the Egyptianness in the technique of the legit ones.

I always thought SPEAR was garbage along with MACH and all the other shit they try to push towards cops. 

Ernest Estrada - 

I always thought SPEAR was garbage along with MACH and all the other shit they try to push towards cops. 


it has its uses as an entry, etc. but LOLat making it some big thing

demandango - 

What people do you all consider legit or useful in this area of martial arts?



imo you want a system to cover  with several factors: 



early warning to avoid



pyschological



1 vs 1+



unarmed vs. armed



real life success rate. 



 



1. play a ball sport. i believe james la fond went off of police reports and say athletes who played ball sports had a better rate of defending themselves vs. either weapons or multiple attackers. i think it was the later. if you think of athletes, good cardio, muscles, explosiveness, aggression, dealing with pressure, less hesitation and generally better fitness. 



2. train in a knife based art. like kali



3. wrestling i believe has a higher ko rate that boxing in streetfights. so wrestling, judo or a grappling art is useful. i've talked to a cop who's been attacked and he said that in the scuffles where he's been attacked, a throw had a bigger effect of backing people off than a punch. 



3b. wrestling is also probably successful because there are  a lot of tactile drills that help with reaction time and explosiveness. so you wouldn't need wrestling per se to get these traits but they are important. 



4. the program that has the most impressive success rate for unarmed vs. weapon that i've seen boasts around a 80% success rate of disarm. it was a stat for uk police who trained under  someone  who ripped off of a program of a canadain ex military.  so i'd go with the canadian. it wasn't blauer. 



4b. simpler is better and situations  that simulate reality are better. i do like fairbairn's and sykes ole marterial. 



4c. modern guys who seem to have useful programs or skills worth looking into are ray floro, jim west, doug marcaida,  the redzone people, shivworks and probably straightblast people, dog brothers dlo. i'd also look at a gun cqc or tactical course.