spliff - hes neither.. hes an errand, boy sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill..
This might be the closest thing to the truth so far. As bad as it sounds.
But I guess we all do what we need to, right?
give me a break. This entire thread was just a reason to crap on Ariel. Even though everyone besides the forum tards have disagreed with you you had already come to your own opinion so no one elses matter.
It says a ton that everyone else has offered honest opinions involving facts and actual debate and the first idiot who blasts Ariel and calls him an errand boy you wholeheartedly agree with.
You are a bitch made hater. There's something you might be able to understand.
Big Ariel fan here but I really feel that role didn't suit him. He rose to fame as the quirky interesting guy, this network down the middle stuff looks horrible imo
Big difference in working for a network and being paid to cover an event/sport and working for the sports organization itself. A distinction apparently lost on the op.
outtrigger - Ariel, Journalist... get the f%ck out of here, might as well call everyone in the basement podcasting a journalist. MMA coverage is a joke
Yeah, fuck his Journalism degree from Syracuse, a HIGHLY respected college, right? Hes not a journalist cuz you say hes not!
Authority Figure - That's the thing. Journalists are not supposed to engage in anything that would be seen as a conflict of interest. Its a significant aspect of their code of ethics.
Maybe in politics or foreign affairs or whatever. Not in combat sports. MMA journalists have a dual role as vehicles of information AND promoters for the sport.
Wrong. Journalists , no matter what form of entertainment, politics, arts or sciences they report on, have an obligation to follow ethics. Do doctors , dealing with martial artists and their competitions , have any different set of ethics compared to doctors in other industries ? No they don't
molsonmuscle360 - I think he's both. When he's working for the UFC he's an analyst, and when he is doing the MMA Hour and stuff like that he is a reporter. People can be more than one thing after all.
That's the thing. Journalists are not supposed to engage in anything that would be seen as a conflict of interest. Its a significant aspect of their code of ethics.
Ask the entire fox crew or cnbc how well they adhere to that. We are in an era where there are very few "journalist" in the traditional sense of the word. Most news stories today are crafted to push some sort of agenda. Ariel is a personality and always has Dave Meltzer is a journalist.
<blockquote>Kirik - Journalist, for sure.<br /></blockquote><br /><br />I have to respectfully disagree.
Journalist is not the correct word. As we all know, he will NEVER be critical of Zuffa under any circumstances. ( and that is fine btw, there are journalists who are willing to do such things if they were ever necessary )
Shill isn't either. I like what he does, and the service he provides.
Much like most of the MMA media. He is closer to a independent PR rep, promoting shows, telling us how great the upcoming show will be ect....
Again I don't dislike him for it. It's just not journalism.
Let's just say Dana White said " Switch to Direct TV" isn't exactly news it's a sales pitch.
Infotainment reporters?? probably closer to the truth.
OH and Dear Lord , please give Ariel , Jay Glazer's job. Everything Glazer is doing Ariel does better........God Damn it, that's it. Ariel is a HOST and Interviewer. and he is really good at it.
Ringgeneral - <blockquote>Kirik - Journalist, for sure.<br /></blockquote><br /><br /> He is closer to a independent PR rep, promoting shows, telling us how great the upcoming show will be ect....
this, just because he has a degree doesn't make him a journalist, if he doesn't practice it, PRing is not journalism
Ringgeneral - <blockquote>Kirik - Journalist, for sure.<br /></blockquote><br /><br />I have to respectfully disagree.
Journalist is not the correct word. As we all know, he will NEVER be critical of Zuffa under any circumstances. ( and that is fine btw, there are journalists who are willing to do such things if they were ever necessary )
Shill isn't either. I like what he does, and the service he provides.
Much like most of the MMA media. He is closer to a independent PR rep, promoting shows, telling us how great the upcoming show will be ect....
Again I don't dislike him for it. It's just not journalism.
Let's just say Dana White said " Switch to Direct TV" isn't exactly news it's a sales pitch.
Infotainment reporters?? probably closer to the truth.
OH and Dear Lord , please give Ariel , Jay Glazer's job. Everything Glazer is doing Ariel does better........God Damn it, that's it. Ariel is a HOST and Interviewer. and he is really good at it.
Gtfo glazer is awesome! An he doesn't just shill for football. I love that he is an old school lifetime NFL Guy, but MMA is first to him. That's a true hardcore Fan.
It's like football is his job, MMA is his passion. Its refreshing
spliff - hes neither.. hes an errand, boy sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill..
This might be the closest thing to the truth so far. As bad as it sounds.
But I guess we all do what we need to, right?
give me a break. This entire thread was just a reason to crap on Ariel. Even though everyone besides the forum tards have disagreed with you you had already come to your own opinion so no one elses matter.
It says a ton that everyone else has offered honest opinions involving facts and actual debate and the first idiot who blasts Ariel and calls him an errand boy you wholeheartedly agree with.
You are a bitch made hater. There's something you might be able to understand.
Wow. You are mad. On the internet no less. I'm trying to have a analytical conversation. I'm sorry if I frustrated you to the point that you had to resort to high school euphemisms like "bitch made hater". smh.
In any case, let's get some things straight. I think Ariel is probably one of the best things going in MMA. That is, I literally think his presence and his professionalism has done as much as the performances of many fighters.
Now that we have that out of the way, let's clear something else up. I don't need an excuse to say I don't like something. I'm my own man. If I don't like it, I just say it. lol I don't like seeing Ariel in a position where I can't tell if he's saying and asking what he thinks is important and what Zuffa thinks is beneficial to their bottomline.
If you check my posts, I've previously written about the need for more legitimate journalism in MMA. Specifically the need for more investigative reporting. I don't think Ariel has an interest in that. He seems to play things a bit too safe for that kind of career path, but if more great journalists end up becoming on-air personalities (presumably for the money and unrestricted access @ events) and Zuffa lashes out every time it reads or sees a report it dislikes, it may be harder for that aspect of MMA journalism to emerge.
It seems we already have a very small pool of legit journalists to turn to in MMA and I wondering if that will become a growing problem.
Journalist. I think those who say he isn't one are confused about what journalism is.
There are different types of journalists, including columnists, investigative, broadcast, news and feature journalists.
Woodward and Bernstein were investigative journalists, while Tom Wolfe was predominantly a feature journalist.
Hemingway was both a news and feature journalist.
Contrary to popular belief, you don't necessarily have to have a degree in journalism to be a journalist. Edward R. Murrow majored in speech, Wolfe had an english degree and Hemingway didn't even go to college.
glupe - "Journalists keep a sport honest and offer an opinion that isn't based around revenue or betting lines. On-Air personalities support the agenda of the promoter or company sponsoring the sports events. "
Who are you to define and limit the type of work a 'journalist' can do? How many other 'journalists' host their very own internet radio/stream show every monday for 2 hours, and puts out countless amounts of media for the public to watch?
I'm not sure if I can find one that does so "every Monday" but there are lots of journalists that have shows and that provide lots of sports content. I'm confused. What's your point? Do you think I'm trying to limit what he can do or not do? I'm not.
I'm asking a question: How does a journalist remain impartial when they are handpicked as the "media personality" for the largest promoter in a single sport?
I'm not defining journalism. I'm restating what most journalists would consider journalism to be and what you would be taught if you were pursuing a journalism degree. There is no alterior motive.
Some of you take this forum stuff way too personal. It would make sense if I was talking about you, but I'm asking questions about a public figure. Relax.
Mike Russell - <span class="Apple-style-span"> Journalist. I think those who say he isn't one are confused about what journalism is.
There are different types of journalists, including </span>columnists, <span class="Apple-style-span">investigative, broadcast, news and feature journalists.
Woodward and Bernstein were investigative journalists, while Tom Wolfe was predominantly a feature journalist.
Hemingway was both a news and feature journalist.
Contrary to popular belief, you don't necessarily have to have a degree in journalism to be a journalist. Edward R. Murrow majored in speech, Wolfe had an english degree and Hemingway even didn't go to college.</span>
I agree with most of what you've said Mike. Now, how do feel, specifically, about Ariel "reporting" live from backstage of a Zuffa event?
I know that Karyn Bryant does/did (?) this for Strikeforce and what's interesting is that she calls her a "TELEVISION PERSONALITY" not a reporter.
Backstage, I'd say his role is that of an interviewer or "personality" more so than a journo, the same as Bonnar and Glazer are personalities on the broadcast.
Coming from a public relations background I know that there is a fine line between PR and journalism. Many of the courses I took were actually the same ones that were in the journalism students' curriculum.
The main difference is, typically with journalism you are reporting or writing about something you actually believe in -- be it good or bad; whatever the case is, you have some kind of reaction to the story.
PR, for the most part is unscrupulous -- kind of like being a defense attourney. You don't necessarily have to feel strongly about the thing you're hyping. You just do your job.
I'm sure some will disagree, but that's my personal view. When I've written features, the ones I feel had the best reaction were the ones that touched on personal things that invoked an emotional reaction from me.
If I'm doing an interview and a candid story the subject relays makes me feel happiness, sadness, anger etc. I know it will have the same effect on others, which is something that doesn't happen all the time in PR, especially if you don't have that attachment to the product, person, service etc. you are trying to hype. That's pretty much the same as being a shill.
It's the same if I get a tip that makes me say "holy shit!" I know others are going to feel the same way, even if it's a select few.
