I think kickboxing or Muay Thai would make for an easier transition / have more relevance for MMA but being able to karate kick someone in the head isn't a bad start.
Uhtred Ragnarson -nek -Damn near any contact martial art will have SOME applicability, and it can add a nice wrinkle to your game, but in general, the less rules in the martial art, the more applicable it will be to MMA. MMA striking will always have some separation from other striking arts due to the takedown concern, but aside from that, Muay Thai has the least restrictive set outside of Lethwei. However, headbutts are illegal in MMA so take that away and you have Muay Thai with little hand protection (they don't use Thai gloves). I've only dabbled in Kyokushin within the context of Muay Thai/MMA/General Striking, but the low kick is probably one of the better takeaways. Kyokushin was what was mixed with Muay Thai and Western Boxing into what has become "Dutch-style" kickboxing.
Just curious, I've noticed you seem to create threads about the merits of individual arts. Are you trying to pick one? If you're trying to figure out what's best, why don't just do MMA? It's the most all-encompassing training of what's reasonably available.
No. Been rolling and doing Muay Thai since I was a kid. Currently boxing.
Ive noticed a lot of high level fighters have been incorporating TMA more and more (Cejudo, McGregor, Yoel Romero, Pitbull In Bellator). It's very interesting, thinking outside the box is a must in MMA.
Nice, have you done MMA? Putting it all together? There's certainly elements from TMAs that can work, but in the context of MMA there will always need to be adjustments to be made. The best advantage TMAs can offer is simply the fact that other guys may not have seen the techniques much before. A good gym won't emphasize just one style but will simply teach "striking". Even a pure muay thai gym, if to bound to the idea of "traditional" muay thai, can be limiting.
The nice thing about the Kyokushin style low kick is that it can be thrown at a close range with great power. The high snapping style kick is also good to use when clearing their guard with your same-side hand. Stephen Thompson does this well.
Im no Kyokushin or striking expert but to respond to the actual OP question, of course it is.
The big thing is that due to them not punching to the face, they have a huge gap to fill in learning that and defending against it. There are tons of Kyokushin/Full Contact Karate guys who go to Kickboxing and they work with boxers to fill the void.
As for MMA, same thing I would assume but the fact that you have numerous MMA guys and KBers with those backgrounds should tell you something.
Applicable "at all"... yes, hard kicks and punches, defensive techniques & a hardened body from full contact sparring would be applicable.
Ask GSP...
yes theres plenty of katas in kyokushin, all part of the grading process, along with getting your ass kicked sparring
Dutch kickboxing is more heavily influenced by kyokushin that it is by Muay Thai. Most gyms in holland use the Japanese terminology for kicks , punches, follow kyokushin traditions etc. Dutch kB is basically Nogi kyokushin with punches to the head allowed
Denis Kelly -Dutch kickboxing is more heavily influenced by kyokushin that it is by Muay Thai. Most gyms in holland use the Japanese terminology for kicks , punches, follow kyokushin traditions etc. Dutch kB is basically Nogi kyokushin with punches to the head allowed
YES which is a great combination. Bas and the gang all have influence.
I recall when my dojo very quietly brought in a boxing coach (also tons of martial arts experience) to prepare for tournaments in Japan that included face contact/punching.
The Uchi Deshi from Japan picked up the face punching and incorporating it in no time.
Wasa-B - Im no Kyokushin or striking expert but to respond to the actual OP question, of course it is.The big thing is that due to them not punching to the face, they have a huge gap to fill in learning that and defending against it. There are tons of Kyokushin/Full Contact Karate guys who go to Kickboxing and they work with boxers to fill the void.
As for MMA, same thing I would assume but the fact that you have numerous MMA guys and KBers with those backgrounds should tell you something.
Missed your post before making the one above.
Denis Kelly -Dutch kickboxing is more heavily influenced by kyokushin that it is by Muay Thai. Most gyms in holland use the Japanese terminology for kicks , punches, follow kyokushin traditions etc. Dutch kB is basically Nogi kyokushin with punches to the head allowed
Indeed, it goes back kurosaki, the founder of meijiro gym in japan and jon blumings kyokushin instructor. Kurosaki was also the only one of the kyokushin team to lose at Rajadamnern to the thais
de braco -Denis Kelly -Dutch kickboxing is more heavily influenced by kyokushin that it is by Muay Thai. Most gyms in holland use the Japanese terminology for kicks , punches, follow kyokushin traditions etc. Dutch kB is basically Nogi kyokushin with punches to the head allowed
Indeed, it goes back kurosaki, the founder of meijiro gym in japan and jon blumings kyokushin instructor. Kurosaki was also the only one of the kyokushin team to lose at Rajadamnern to the thais
We should call you the missing link of information and martial arts history.
By the way as a young Kyokushin student I visited SIFU yellow track suit class. When we told SIFU we trained Kyokushin he went on an immature rant against Kyokushin and how he would smash the "little Japanese guys. "
Of course I knew the Uchi Deshi would have dismantled the fellow.
Oh god, the Lamar is a real piece of work. Was that japanese garden at his house or a local park? I remember all his articles being photographed with him in a japanese garden chain punching some fool into bolivia
^^^^. My guess would be it was at a park or botanical garden.
Think about the goofy bit I just mentioned above, I bet I was 13 or 14 visiting his class to see if we should join and this guy was an instructor spewing insults about another school.
as a kid learning the different styles at the birth of mma i loved watching these multiple match tournaments where the guys would be all taped up from the battle previous
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_uCPCQ_rxo
williepep - ^^^^. My guess would be it was at a park or botanical garden.Think about the goofy bit I just mentioned above, I bet I was 13 or 14 visiting his class to see if we should join and this guy was an instructor spewing insults about another school.
What a nut. That was some high quality jkd though. i’ve got one of his vhs instructionals and it’s sheer madness for an hour
de braco -williepep - ^^^^. My guess would be it was at a park or botanical garden.Think about the goofy bit I just mentioned above, I bet I was 13 or 14 visiting his class to see if we should join and this guy was an instructor spewing insults about another school.
What a nut. That was some high quality jkd though. i’ve got one of his vhs instructionals and it’s sheer madness for an hour
Sometime I need to try to remember every nutty and goofy story I know of about the character and start a thread.
Since you mention a park, I remember once myself and a pal making him really mad on the phone (You can guess details or purpose of call).
He told us to meet him by a bridge at a park at midnight promising he would teach us a lesson.
It is one of the most applicable stand up styles period. Very rigid and tough.
williepep -de braco -williepep - ^^^^. My guess would be it was at a park or botanical garden.Think about the goofy bit I just mentioned above, I bet I was 13 or 14 visiting his class to see if we should join and this guy was an instructor spewing insults about another school.
What a nut. That was some high quality jkd though. i’ve got one of his vhs instructionals and it’s sheer madness for an hour
Sometime I need to try to remember every nutty and goofy story I know of about the character and start a thread.
Since you mention a park, I remember once myself and a pal making him really mad on the phone (You can guess details or purpose of call).
He told us to meet him by a bridge at a park at midnight promising he would teach us a lesson.
Yikes! I shudder to wonder what the lesson would entail
jcblass -It is one of the most applicable stand up styles period. Very rigid and tough.
If someone is not familiar with it and especially newer or younger MMA fans that are interested in a bit of history should really check it out.
Also try to view it in the context of the time frame prior to an MMA fight on every weekend and MMA schools on every corner.
Tough style with some seriously committed tough tournament fighters and Uchi Deshi, instructors.
As a kid I used to watch “Fighting Black Kings” over and over since there was not a lot of sources to see fights. Sadly I had the narration and dialogue of the show pretty much memorized.