Is Randy Johnson top 5 all time pitcher?

I think he is
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How do you compare him to guys like Walter Johnson, Cy Young, Christy Mathewson and Warren Spahn?

From 1960 on I am not even sure he is top 5. You got a ton of competition with guys like Koufax, Seaver, Maddux, Clemens, Pedro, Mariano, Gibson, etc.

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NO HE'S NOT

no argument places him in the top 5

 

arguments could be made that he isn't top 20  (i personally think he is some where in the 14-17 mark)

There are a lot of greats but what he did in the steroid Era blew my mind. And his name never was never in the steroid conversation Phone Post 3.0

Hard to compare him with Cy Young era, but modern he trails Gibson, Koufax, Ryan, Clemens, Maddox off top of my head Phone Post 3.0

Spuds Buckley  - Hard to compare him with Cy Young era, but modern he trails Gibson, Koufax, Ryan, Clemens, Maddox off top of my head Phone Post 3.0


seaver



palmer



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pedro



mariano



 

"The Big Unit" is top 5 all time nicknames for sure though

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Top 5 dad all time IMO.

Nolan Ryan was waaaay better

no if you are looking at pure stats. the problem is that the stats are relative to the era. i have no doubt that the earlier eras did not have a lot of 100 mph pitcher who where southpaws though.

i have maddux as the best of all time.

if you are looking at pure ability (how good were his pitches, control, velocity consistency and intangibles),

then i'd rate him top 5.

have a 6'5 monster glare at you who sometimes threw 'wild' 100mph pitches. that was very intimidating.

i think guys like halladay, cone, stewart and jimmy key had much better control, but none of them threw close to 100. i'd still rate him below martinez and clemens though.