FEDOR IS GOAT. Stipe is the best UFC hw champ...
Slowshot -Soul Gravy -Slowshot -Stu Cazzo -He’s the GOAT and I have no doubt that he would’ve KO’d prime Fedor.
I have doubt, but if you FORCED me to put money on it, my money’s on Stipe.
Fedor’s whole game was throw bombs into takedowns, sort of like a big ass johnny hendricks, and I think Stipe’s a good enough boxer to punish Fedor on the way in, and a good enough wrestler to keep the fight standing, or scramble up if Fedor hit one of his trips.
Fedor hit like a truck, and had a decent chin, but I think Stipe’s better.
Stipe by second round tko after he catches Fedor with a counter left on the way in, and finishes him down for the poundout.
If Crocop couldn’t put Fedor away standing, Stipe wouldn’t be able to do it.
And Fedor’s takedowns are incredibly different from Hendricks. Nothing similar about their styles at all.
Fedor also faced a higher level of competition.
…that’s a valid point about Crocop.
But I disagree about the higher level of competition.
In his prime, Fedor’s best foes were Crocop, Big Nog, and an already faded Hammerhouse Squad.
Big Nog is a poor man’s Werdum. Now, you can make the argument that Werdum was already on the decline at the time Stipe got to him, and you MIGHT be right, but if you took a time machine, and took that Werdum against the Nog that fought Fedor, my money’s on Werdum. (I accept that reasonable minds can disagree).
Crocop is analagous to Overeem. Yeah Crocop probably had a better chin, but Overeem has a better ground game, so I think it’s roughly a push.
Other than that, Stipe’s comp has been better. Dos Santos is probably better than anybody Fedor ever fought.
Ngannou is better than Prime Fedor’s 3rd best foe.
Arlovski was a hard hitting can for both of them. (Fedor probably faced the better version).
But, I mean, Babalu Sobral, Lee Hasdell, Heath Herring, Eddy Valavicius, Fujita, Gary Goodridge, Yuji Nagata, Hammerhouse, Ogawa, TK, Zuluzinho, Matt Lindland (come on), Tim Sylvia, Hong Man Choi.
Stipe goes through those guys like a hot knife through soft butter.
Prime Nog spanked Werdum
dangerboy12 - I think if DC would have stayed at heavy he would now be known as the greatest HW of all time or pretty damn close. But he loves Cain too much I guess.But it’s still Fedor as best HW of all time. Stipe needs a couple more big time wins. IMO he needs to beat Cain and Cormier or maybe even Jon Jones.
So to be recognised as the greatest HW he has to beat 2 LHW? Huh.
I look at these things differently than most do. Different eras. Fedor is still the GOAT. That said. I think Stipe beats Fedor.
The level of “event” Fedor brought hasn’t been matched by any heavyweight. (STFU about Brocks PPV Numbers). Fedor had more “epic” fights and “epic” wins.
I think that with a few more fights Stipe could take the GOAT title. But when Fedor was the king of the division his fights were huge.
So I’m looking at it from more of a historical legacy angle than just the best fighter.
failure at life -No, it's Cain Velasquez. Injuries have derailed his career but the skill set, cardio, out put and pace his set is something that will not be seen at heavyweight for a very long time. He had the output of a featherweight. If he shows up healthy, he beats any heavyweight who ever lived
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Heavyweight division these days is orsct calmly the sane as it was 10 years ago except they are all older.
Stipe is a beast but all this greatest of all time stuff is a bit early. People are way too quick to throw around these terms. The greatest is something that needs longevity.
Idk if I would say he's GOAT but if he beat DC and Cain back to back in his next two fights, he would be.
Stu Cazzo -He’s the GOAT and I have no doubt that he would’ve KO’d prime Fedor.
As dangerous as prime fedor was standing, he was reckless on the feet. Stipe is a much better boxer than fedor ever was in his whole career.
It really depends on what you mean by HW GOAT, if HW GOAT means most accomplished, then you can argue for fedor or stipe either way.
If you mean who is actually the better fighter... stipe clearly beats any version of fedor.
cuttooth -Stipe beat Werdum and JDS. Only reason Ngannou looked that bad was because Stipe was that damn good!Not above Fedor, Nog, Werdum, or JDS
Ngannou looking as bad as he did tarnished the win a great deal
cuttooth -Going into the fight the UFC basically were painting Stipe to be punched into Bolivia. I can see why he felt so disrespectedNot above Fedor, Nog, Werdum, or JDS
Ngannou looking as bad as he did tarnished the win a great deal
xsrg95 -failure at life -No, it's Cain Velasquez. Injuries have derailed his career but the skill set, cardio, out put and pace his set is something that will not be seen at heavyweight for a very long time. He had the output of a featherweight. If he shows up healthy, he beats any heavyweight who ever lived
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You guys are idiots lol
This isn’t some hypothetical fantasyland story about potential and skill sets.
What has Cain done? Fight the same dude 8 times and beat some past their prime legends on a retirement tour?
Give me a break.
Stipe is by far a better UFC heavyweight who has been out there fighting and accomplished something nobody else has while Cain has been hurt, again.
cuttooth -Slowshot -Soul Gravy -Slowshot -Stu Cazzo -He’s the GOAT and I have no doubt that he would’ve KO’d prime Fedor.
I have doubt, but if you FORCED me to put money on it, my money’s on Stipe.
Fedor’s whole game was throw bombs into takedowns, sort of like a big ass johnny hendricks, and I think Stipe’s a good enough boxer to punish Fedor on the way in, and a good enough wrestler to keep the fight standing, or scramble up if Fedor hit one of his trips.
Fedor hit like a truck, and had a decent chin, but I think Stipe’s better.
Stipe by second round tko after he catches Fedor with a counter left on the way in, and finishes him down for the poundout.
If Crocop couldn’t put Fedor away standing, Stipe wouldn’t be able to do it.
And Fedor’s takedowns are incredibly different from Hendricks. Nothing similar about their styles at all.
Fedor also faced a higher level of competition.
…that’s a valid point about Crocop.
But I disagree about the higher level of competition.
In his prime, Fedor’s best foes were Crocop, Big Nog, and an already faded Hammerhouse Squad.
Big Nog is a poor man’s Werdum. Now, you can make the argument that Werdum was already on the decline at the time Stipe got to him, and you MIGHT be right, but if you took a time machine, and took that Werdum against the Nog that fought Fedor, my money’s on Werdum. (I accept that reasonable minds can disagree).
Crocop is analagous to Overeem. Yeah Crocop probably had a better chin, but Overeem has a better ground game, so I think it’s roughly a push.
Other than that, Stipe’s comp has been better. Dos Santos is probably better than anybody Fedor ever fought.
Ngannou is better than Prime Fedor’s 3rd best foe.
Arlovski was a hard hitting can for both of them. (Fedor probably faced the better version).
But, I mean, Babalu Sobral, Lee Hasdell, Heath Herring, Eddy Valavicius, Fujita, Gary Goodridge, Yuji Nagata, Hammerhouse, Ogawa, TK, Zuluzinho, Matt Lindland (come on), Tim Sylvia, Hong Man Choi.
Stipe goes through those guys like a hot knife through soft butter.
Prime Nog spanked Werdum
This, what the fuck is this guy talking about.
You need to watch Pride, rather than talking about something you’ve never actually witnessed.
The HW division is shallow and weak right now, almost as weak as it's ever been.
Palmtreeguy -cuttooth -Stipe beat Werdum and JDS. Only reason Ngannou looked that bad was because Stipe was that damn good!Not above Fedor, Nog, Werdum, or JDS
Ngannou looking as bad as he did tarnished the win a great deal
JDS beat Stipe and Werdum,
and Cain,
and Rothwell, Nelson, Carwin, Mir, etc.
JDS has the most underrated resume at HW imo.
Still Fedor
Steven McTowelie -xsrg95 -failure at life -No, it's Cain Velasquez. Injuries have derailed his career but the skill set, cardio, out put and pace his set is something that will not be seen at heavyweight for a very long time. He had the output of a featherweight. If he shows up healthy, he beats any heavyweight who ever lived
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You guys are idiots lol
This isn’t some hypothetical fantasyland story about potential and skill sets.
What has Cain done? Fight the same dude 8 times and beat some past their prime legends on a retirement tour?
Give me a break.
Stipe is by far a better UFC heavyweight who has been out there fighting and accomplished something nobody else has while Cain has been hurt, again.
Exactly.
Cain looked great against JDS and Brock. Who else is there that was top level?
Coulda woulda shoulda.
Stipe has done what no other HW has done. Respect is due.
cuttooth -Slowshot -Soul Gravy -Slowshot -Stu Cazzo -He’s the GOAT and I have no doubt that he would’ve KO’d prime Fedor.
I have doubt, but if you FORCED me to put money on it, my money’s on Stipe.
Fedor’s whole game was throw bombs into takedowns, sort of like a big ass johnny hendricks, and I think Stipe’s a good enough boxer to punish Fedor on the way in, and a good enough wrestler to keep the fight standing, or scramble up if Fedor hit one of his trips.
Fedor hit like a truck, and had a decent chin, but I think Stipe’s better.
Stipe by second round tko after he catches Fedor with a counter left on the way in, and finishes him down for the poundout.
If Crocop couldn’t put Fedor away standing, Stipe wouldn’t be able to do it.
And Fedor’s takedowns are incredibly different from Hendricks. Nothing similar about their styles at all.
Fedor also faced a higher level of competition.
…that’s a valid point about Crocop.
But I disagree about the higher level of competition.
In his prime, Fedor’s best foes were Crocop, Big Nog, and an already faded Hammerhouse Squad.
Big Nog is a poor man’s Werdum. Now, you can make the argument that Werdum was already on the decline at the time Stipe got to him, and you MIGHT be right, but if you took a time machine, and took that Werdum against the Nog that fought Fedor, my money’s on Werdum. (I accept that reasonable minds can disagree).
Crocop is analagous to Overeem. Yeah Crocop probably had a better chin, but Overeem has a better ground game, so I think it’s roughly a push.
Other than that, Stipe’s comp has been better. Dos Santos is probably better than anybody Fedor ever fought.
Ngannou is better than Prime Fedor’s 3rd best foe.
Arlovski was a hard hitting can for both of them. (Fedor probably faced the better version).
But, I mean, Babalu Sobral, Lee Hasdell, Heath Herring, Eddy Valavicius, Fujita, Gary Goodridge, Yuji Nagata, Hammerhouse, Ogawa, TK, Zuluzinho, Matt Lindland (come on), Tim Sylvia, Hong Man Choi.
Stipe goes through those guys like a hot knife through soft butter.
Prime Nog spanked Werdum
Prime werdum spanked Nog, armbarred him actually.
Nog won a boring decision over a Werdum who didn't even know how to strike (he admitted this and we could all see it back then)
Acidic -Fedor is the GOAT. Fedor faced anyone and everyone out infront of him. Did he face cans? yes but he stayed active and gave everyone a chance. His reign is something that will never be repeated
"he stayed active and gave everyone a chance"
except for guys like lesnar, mir, barnett, gonzaga, overeem, couture
you might say he gave couture/barnett a chance but those fights never happened anyway so it doesn't matter
Fedor is not the GOAT, at least not anymore. He was the best proven HW from 2003-2005, maybe 2006 but that's about it
cuttooth -Palmtreeguy -cuttooth -Stipe beat Werdum and JDS. Only reason Ngannou looked that bad was because Stipe was that damn good!Not above Fedor, Nog, Werdum, or JDS
Ngannou looking as bad as he did tarnished the win a great deal
JDS beat Stipe and Werdum,
and Cain,
and Rothwell, Nelson, Carwin, Mir, etc.
JDS has the most underrated resume at HW imo.
I agree with this.
Suicidalforlife -cuttooth -Slowshot -Soul Gravy -Slowshot -Stu Cazzo -He’s the GOAT and I have no doubt that he would’ve KO’d prime Fedor.
I have doubt, but if you FORCED me to put money on it, my money’s on Stipe.
Fedor’s whole game was throw bombs into takedowns, sort of like a big ass johnny hendricks, and I think Stipe’s a good enough boxer to punish Fedor on the way in, and a good enough wrestler to keep the fight standing, or scramble up if Fedor hit one of his trips.
Fedor hit like a truck, and had a decent chin, but I think Stipe’s better.
Stipe by second round tko after he catches Fedor with a counter left on the way in, and finishes him down for the poundout.
If Crocop couldn’t put Fedor away standing, Stipe wouldn’t be able to do it.
And Fedor’s takedowns are incredibly different from Hendricks. Nothing similar about their styles at all.
Fedor also faced a higher level of competition.
…that’s a valid point about Crocop.
But I disagree about the higher level of competition.
In his prime, Fedor’s best foes were Crocop, Big Nog, and an already faded Hammerhouse Squad.
Big Nog is a poor man’s Werdum. Now, you can make the argument that Werdum was already on the decline at the time Stipe got to him, and you MIGHT be right, but if you took a time machine, and took that Werdum against the Nog that fought Fedor, my money’s on Werdum. (I accept that reasonable minds can disagree).
Crocop is analagous to Overeem. Yeah Crocop probably had a better chin, but Overeem has a better ground game, so I think it’s roughly a push.
Other than that, Stipe’s comp has been better. Dos Santos is probably better than anybody Fedor ever fought.
Ngannou is better than Prime Fedor’s 3rd best foe.
Arlovski was a hard hitting can for both of them. (Fedor probably faced the better version).
But, I mean, Babalu Sobral, Lee Hasdell, Heath Herring, Eddy Valavicius, Fujita, Gary Goodridge, Yuji Nagata, Hammerhouse, Ogawa, TK, Zuluzinho, Matt Lindland (come on), Tim Sylvia, Hong Man Choi.
Stipe goes through those guys like a hot knife through soft butter.
Prime Nog spanked Werdum
This, what the fuck is this guy talking about.
You need to watch Pride, rather than talking about something you’ve never actually witnessed.
The HW division is shallow and weak right now, almost as weak as it's ever been.
it's hard to tell, a lot of the pride heavyweights were one dimensional
Yes you're right the HW division right now is shallow compared to other divisions right now, but stipe would have destroyed fedor back then. The HW fighters have evolved, but the division as a whole has not in terms of competition and depth. Comier would have destroyed cro cop, fedor or nog as well and he might move up to HW soon.