Chael has opened as a -450 favorite (in some places -500) Frobenius. So the people who know MMA, and don't blindly throw around praise just because you and said fighter are from the same country, actually think Chael only loses just a handful of times out of a 100.
You have no credibility on this forum. Mike is a good fighter. He'd give Rockhold one hell of a fight in Strikeforce for that belt. He is in the UFC what Dana and the powers that be know he is, a cash cow in the UK and a good-to-average gate keeper at MW.
You laugh to discredit everything you say when you call Chael a cheater. Did you see the Rivera fight?
I wouldn't be surprised if Chael out-boxes Bisping in the fight. Sonnen's boxing "career" is largely overlooked because his takedowns and/or wrestling is so dominant in MMA.
Saying all this, I hope they both lose but I will have 4 - 5u on Chael at -450
Betting lines are made to get people betting, they're not a good indicator of who's going to win.
You might not think me credible but I know I have a lot of fans on here.
The books make tons and tons and tons of $$$ every year from betting lines. So you don't think Odessa and said line makers know the sport or don't like the $$$ they make? You don't think they open favorites as favorites for a reason? Theres a danger of opening huge favorites as huge favorites, so the guys who know the sport are not fearing Bisping stealing their precious juice they will make off Chael's line. So yes, the betting lines are usually a great way to see who is going to win, especially a -500 to +300 line like Bisping/Chael
kingsand8s - <blockquote>Frobenius - Betting lines are made to get people betting, they're not a good indicator of who's going to win. <br><br>You might not think me credible but I know I have a lot of fans on here. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/></blockquote><br /><br />The books make tons and tons and tons of $$$ every year from betting lines. So you don't think Odessa and said line makers know the sport or don't like the $$$ they make? You don't think they open favorites as favorites for a reason? Theres a danger of opening huge favorites as huge favorites, so the guys who know the sport are not fearing Bisping stealing their precious juice they will make off Chael's line
Putting the banter aside for a minute, Chael is obviously a massive favorite in this fight and I expect him to get the UD win. Bisping is a live underdog though and a lot better than most forum members are willing to admit.
Steve, I couldn't agree more. Bisping is under-rated. I come to this forum to help with my betting on MMA, thats it. I've squeezed value out of Bisping's line his last 4 fights and had a massive bet on him versus Leben. And had a sizable bet against Mike vs Hendo. I'm not blindly betting because I hate Bisping, I probably hate Chael more. I had 2.5u on Bisping vs Maia ready to go. To be completely honest I'm line watching hoping the Brits bet Chael's line down alittle
If you want to lose in MMA betting, or any sports wagering, bet your favorites blindly and when you do your research and watch tape, do it with your "fan glasses" on
bisping has very little chance to win.
1. he isn't going to sub sonnen like blackbelts have in silva, horn, maia. its a 3 round fight so he less likely to get tired than in the 5 rounder with silva.
2. his striking isnt powerful enough to ko him with a few well placed shots since stronger strikers like silva and stann couldn't ko him
3. he won't be able to rack up enough points and/or damage through strikes/combos/octagon control/etc because sonnen will run through him for the takedown. guys like silva, marquardt, and even okami coudn't stop sonnens takedown at all.
i don't know why ufc through their uk posterboy to a wolf like this. the only way to have this fight was to have a tuf and milk the trash talking for $
kingsand8s - If you want to lose in MMA betting, or any sports wagering, bet your favorites blindly and when you do your research and watch tape, do it with your "fan glasses" onFine, we'll see who's made a profit when the fight is done.
2012 the year of british champs. Bisping, overeem both taking the gold. Rule britannia!
comstock2491 - The ways that Bisping could lose to Sonnen:
1) Strikes
2) Being out grappled
3) Submitted
4) TKO due to pants shitting
In a nutshell
wreckker - Bisping loses by stepping in tbe cage.
Bisping hits as hard as my 10 year old
Your 10 year old must really hit hard, or do you just not like the brits? haha.
There is only ONE way Bisping loses this fight.
He steps in the cage on January 28th.
Doctor mmGAY - http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&thread=1941386&page=1Worst troll ever.
Try harder.
Frobenius - Betting lines are made to get people betting, they're not a good indicator of who's going to win.
You might not think me credible but I know I have a lot of fans on here.
Look I am new around here. But if this guy is creating these threads to get "fans," I am officially going to stop reading them. Very revealing statement IMO.
BradGluckman -wreckker - Bisping loses by stepping in tbe cage.
Bisping hits as hard as my 10 year old <img border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;" alt="Phone Post" src="/images/phone/apple.png" />
Thats an insult ^
To your ten year old boy
Haha I legit Lol'd at this ^^
But in all seriousness... I'd like to see Bisping win, but I think it's unlikely. I do think he has more of a chance than most are giving him though.
MattBFD -I don't start threads to get fans, I get fans because I am witty and know how to pick a winner. Bisping is a winner.Frobenius - Betting lines are made to get people betting, they're not a good indicator of who's going to win.Look I am new around here. But if this guy is creating these threads to get "fans," I am officially going to stop reading them. Very revealing statement IMO.
You might not think me credible but I know I have a lot of fans on here.
SteveBeale -Understatement of the year that I'm not a Spitsping fan, but even I can see that there's a good chance for him to win this fight IF....and I say if he can impose his game-plan over Sonnen's.kingsand8s - <blockquote>Frobenius - Betting lines are made to get people betting, they're not a good indicator of who's going to win. <br><br>You might not think me credible but I know I have a lot of fans on here. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/></blockquote><br /><br />The books make tons and tons and tons of $$$ every year from betting lines. So you don't think Odessa and said line makers know the sport or don't like the $$$ they make? You don't think they open favorites as favorites for a reason? Theres a danger of opening huge favorites as huge favorites, so the guys who know the sport are not fearing Bisping stealing their precious juice they will make off Chael's line
Putting the banter aside for a minute, Chael is obviously a massive favorite in this fight and I expect him to get the UD win. Bisping is a live underdog though and a lot better than most forum members are willing to admit.
If he can prevent the TDs, or immediately get up from a TD without taking any damage, and pepper Sonnen with jabs whenever they're on their feet to negate the TD points, he could easily outpoint Sonnen in each round. He's definitely got the cardio to go 3 rounds, so no way Sonnen can tire him out easily.
Sonnen's chain wrestling and swift TDs are going to be a problem to avoid, but if Spitsping can stay out of his reach for the majority of each round and use strike-n-bike to the best of his ability, this will be a close fight.
MattBFD -Frobenius - Betting lines are made to get people betting, they're not a good indicator of who's going to win.Look I am new around here. But if this guy is creating these threads to get "fans," I am officially going to stop reading them. Very revealing statement IMO.
You might not think me credible but I know I have a lot of fans on here.
Its just the UKTT blowing themselves...er...blowing their own ...er....bragging.
Chael via anal rape
im ashamed
Wouldn't Sonnen just beat him the same way he beat brain Stann?