Japanese fighter frustrated Rickson with lockdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EXOVVPLrR4

 

at 1:17 you can see Rickson trying to pull his leg out and getting frustrated. He tries again at 1:45.

 

Obviously Rickson won in pretty short order, but I was surprised to see Nishi pull the lockdown and doubly surprised to see Rickson had some trouble with it.

 

i found this video because de braco posted Nishi's newaza instructional in the Hugo Duarte Luta Livre thread and I was curious about their fight. This Nishi guy might have some interesting things to say in his instructional

 

Shit yes! I forgot mudnamers can post videos now.

I remember this fight and this moment clearly. (I used to own the complete VHS tapes that were sold back in the day).
Rickson was not really frustrated, he was patient. He was trying to flip his leg over, and bring his leg close to opponent's hips (as he did) without taking pressure off the upper body. and then just go right into mount (what he did). Roger Gracie does something similar.
The technique was completely known back then and done forever, but wasn't called the "lock-down". I'm sure thogh, he hadn't encountered it in a while. I know Pedro Sauer used to show escapes to this in late-90s-ish.

HotSteppa - I remember this fight and this moment clearly. (I used to own the complete VHS tapes that were sold back in the day).
Rickson was not really frustrated, he was patient. He was trying to flip his leg over, and bring his leg close to opponent's hips (as he did) without taking pressure off the upper body. and then just go right into mount (what he did). Roger Gracie does something similar.
The technique was completely known back then and done forever, but wasn't called the "lock-down". I'm sure thogh, he hadn't encountered it in a while. I know Pedro Sauer used to show escapes to this in late-90s-ish.

It's funny you say that because just recently watched some old BJJ tapes from the nineties and was really surprised. People say they didn't do footlocks back then, but several of the tapes showed toe holds, achilles locks, heel hooks and kneebars. Machado and Sperry showed them. At least one other big name guy did as well.

 

Can you shed some light on this mystery for me? It sounds like you've been involved in BJJ for several decades.

According to Carlos Machado Hello Gracie’s 2 best submissions were the collar choke and the ankle lock (episode 115 of The Strenuous Life Podcast).  So they have been around for a long time

That being said, the methods for training them, maintaining the positions and applying the actual submissions themselves HAVE evolved quite a bit since then!

Rickson didn't seem frustrated at all.  He seemed happy to maintain top position and he passed to mount very quickly after he freed his leg.  He knew he wasn't in any danger.  

blabbermouth - 
HotSteppa - I remember this fight and this moment clearly. (I used to own the complete VHS tapes that were sold back in the day).
Rickson was not really frustrated, he was patient. He was trying to flip his leg over, and bring his leg close to opponent's hips (as he did) without taking pressure off the upper body. and then just go right into mount (what he did). Roger Gracie does something similar.
The technique was completely known back then and done forever, but wasn't called the "lock-down". I'm sure thogh, he hadn't encountered it in a while. I know Pedro Sauer used to show escapes to this in late-90s-ish.

It's funny you say that because just recently watched some old BJJ tapes from the nineties and was really surprised. People say they didn't do footlocks back then, but several of the tapes showed toe holds, achilles locks, heel hooks and kneebars. Machado and Sperry showed them. At least one other big name guy did as well.

 

Can you shed some light on this mystery for me? It sounds like you've been involved in BJJ for several decades.


Yeah, my first BJJ was in 1993! I was around then and people DEFINITELY did leg-locks. But they were somewhat frowned upon as "dirty" techniques, done as more of a "last resort" in Brazil. Personally, I don't think many people in BJJ trained them extensively or had the knowlege, and so it was an easy way to avoid guys like Samboists using their extensive (and complicated) set-ups in tournaments. But basic leg-locks were found in old Judo, and have been around forever.

But single leg attacks here and there in old BJJ are nowhere near the cohesive systems that are found in Sambo, or practitioners like Roy Harris were using 20 years ago, and modern, recent developments. In fact,I clearly remember as I mentioned in another post, Roy Harris coming on sites like these in the late 1990s, and repeatedly getting shot-down in arguments over the effectiveness of leg-locks in BJJ. A lot of BJJers were fairly close-minded back in the day (but by no means all of them).

But they were all there from the beginning -footlocks, kneebars, heelhooks, figure-fours, etc. They were NOT BJJs bread and butter techniques.

According to Roy Harris, the now famous story of Samboist Nikolai Baturin dropping into the Gracie Academy mid-1990s and catching Royce in a footlock and Royce refusing to tap to the pain and pressure, and eventually getting a choke on the Samboist, (gi chokes are not permitted in Sambo). He also said that back then, leg-locks were very rare at the Gracie Academy and rather amateur-hour. I don't doubt it, I mean, BJJ was never known for leg-lock attacks.

I remember reading abot Samboist and early UFC veteran, Oleg Taktarov tells of dropping into the Gracie Academy and stating that he could have caught a bunch of them in leg-locks but didn't use the leg-locks out of respect (or something to that effect). IIRC, Rorion got Pedro Sauer to grapple himP= and it was that said that Pedro stated that despite his best efforts, he couldn't submit Oleg in a rear-choke and respected Oleg's skills immensely. I don't think Oleg would tap an armbar he was in either.
I wonder if any old Gracie Academy guys on here could give the details better.

Stephan Kesting - 

According to Carlos Machado Hello Gracie’s 2 best submissions were the collar choke and the ankle lock (episode 115 of The Strenuous Life Podcast).  So they have been around for a long time

That being said, the methods for training them, maintaining the positions and applying the actual submissions themselves HAVE evolved quite a bit since then!


Didn't Fadda's Academy beat the Gracie Academy in the 1950's with footlocks mainly?

graciesrule -
Stephan Kesting - 

According to Carlos Machado Hello Gracie’s 2 best submissions were the collar choke and the ankle lock (episode 115 of The Strenuous Life Podcast).  So they have been around for a long time

That being said, the methods for training them, maintaining the positions and applying the actual submissions themselves HAVE evolved quite a bit since then!


Didn't Fadda's Academy beat the Gracie Academy in the 1950's with footlocks mainly?

This is what the old heads (1st gen and 2nd gen non-Gracie black belch) told me and also one of the possible reasons why footsies was frowned upon by the Gracies.... Footises are what the "lower class" play with, not us well to do upper crust types.....

I attended a Royce seminar back in 1994 and about mid way through he was taking questions and I asked him about leg locks. I mentioned that I had been training in Catch and the guys I trained with said that BJJ was weak in leg attacks. Royce gave a 2 hour clinic on leg attacks. He was very knowledgeable at the time, although would be considered low level today, certainly what I had been told was false.