Jeet Kune Do in MMA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx2A_i-MhOY

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I am not impressed by his performance.



In all seriousness, he was using most basic techniques used in MMA and maybe a couple kicks we are just now starting to see mainstream. That was more MMA than anything..... Phone Post 3.0

Eric Paulson used JKD at the start of his career and got beat up and dragged around the cage by his kung fu ponytail by a boxer...

I believe Ben Saunders also trained JKD, but the thing is most techniques even used by him was standard MMA type.

I don't believe we will ever see a singular style dominate the sport ever again, good performances will be athlete based as everyone is training the same things.

Sure some will have "better" technique, but we are getting toward the better athletes dominating the sport. Phone Post 3.0

Tim Boetsch? I could be wrong Phone Post 3.0

Galanis -


Boetsch also had a JKD background

Sorry dude, I didn't see you posted it Phone Post 3.0

And roy nelson is wing chun Phone Post 3.0

I was under the impression that JKD was just a loose, open collection of techniques, concepts really. I remember how shocked I was that Bruce Lee, in The Tao of Jeet Kune Do, was describing how best to kick a guy in the head when he was on the ground, with diagrams showing how to aim your big toe for his eye or throat or something like that.

Bruce Lee recommended the "stop-hit", a strike timed to interrupt the opponent's strike; he got that from fencing. Since we've been discussing GSP a lot lately, I'll mention that GSP's stance comes from fencing; referring to his stance and jabs in the Kos fight, here's an excerpt from his book The Way of the Fight:

"... imagine I’m holding a foil in that hand. There’s the handle and there’s a blade at the end of it that hovers menacingly near my opponent. That’s my stance, and it comes from fencing. I don’t fight, I fence. That’s not my fist, it’s my foil...

The fencing idea I got from Bruce Lee, and he was talking about this a long time before I was even born. Most of my movement inside the ring is based on the fencing system. When I cut distance, it’s the same movement as in fencing. I don’t even have to take my right hand out, which is another thing Bruce Lee talked about. If you take the right hand out too much, you’re off balance, which leaves you open to get hit."

pollice_verso - I was under the impression that JKD was just a loose, open collection of techniques, concepts really. I remember how shocked I was that Bruce Lee, in The Tao of Jeet Kune Do, was describing how best to kick a guy in the head when he was on the ground, with diagrams showing how to aim your big toe for his eye or throat or something like that.

Bruce Lee recommended the "stop-hit", a strike timed to interrupt the opponent's strike; he got that from fencing. Since we've been discussing GSP a lot lately, I'll mention that GSP's stance comes from fencing; referring to his stance and jabs in the Kos fight, here's an excerpt from his book The Way of the Fight:

"... imagine I’m holding a foil in that hand. There’s the handle and there’s a blade at the end of it that hovers menacingly near my opponent. That’s my stance, and it comes from fencing. I don’t fight, I fence. That’s not my fist, it’s my foil...

The fencing idea I got from Bruce Lee, and he was talking about this a long time before I was even born. Most of my movement inside the ring is based on the fencing system. When I cut distance, it’s the same movement as in fencing. I don’t even have to take my right hand out, which is another thing Bruce Lee talked about. If you take the right hand out too much, you’re off balance, which leaves you open to get hit."

From what I understand, there are two camps in the JKD community.

One camp believe JKD is a style and pretty much does what Bruce did or tried to do.

The other camp believes JKD is a concept, thus to them, modern JKD looks pretty much like MMA.

Liyon -
pollice_verso - I was under the impression that JKD was just a loose, open collection of techniques, concepts really. I remember how shocked I was that Bruce Lee, in The Tao of Jeet Kune Do, was describing how best to kick a guy in the head when he was on the ground, with diagrams showing how to aim your big toe for his eye or throat or something like that.

Bruce Lee recommended the "stop-hit", a strike timed to interrupt the opponent's strike; he got that from fencing. Since we've been discussing GSP a lot lately, I'll mention that GSP's stance comes from fencing; referring to his stance and jabs in the Kos fight, here's an excerpt from his book The Way of the Fight:

"... imagine I’m holding a foil in that hand. There’s the handle and there’s a blade at the end of it that hovers menacingly near my opponent. That’s my stance, and it comes from fencing. I don’t fight, I fence. That’s not my fist, it’s my foil...

The fencing idea I got from Bruce Lee, and he was talking about this a long time before I was even born. Most of my movement inside the ring is based on the fencing system. When I cut distance, it’s the same movement as in fencing. I don’t even have to take my right hand out, which is another thing Bruce Lee talked about. If you take the right hand out too much, you’re off balance, which leaves you open to get hit."

From what I understand, there are two camps in the JKD community.

One camp believe JKD is a style and pretty much does what Bruce did or tried to do.

The other camp believes JKD is a concept, thus to them, modern JKD looks pretty much like MMA.
My understanding as well.

While not unique, his approach of "use what works, discard the rest" got out to the world because of his popularity & has been bastardized for the same reason.

IMO Ben Saunders is a true JKD fighter. He has learned what works for HIM & constantly strives to learn more. THAT is JKD imo. Phone Post 3.0

Interestingly, Bruce seems to have gotten that "Absorb what's useful, discard what's not, and add what's uniquely your own" thing (that's the quote commonly attributed to him) from Chairman Mao, who said in the 1930s, referring to some geopolitical affair or another: "[We must put conclusions thus reached to the test of our own experiences and] absorb what is useful, reject what is useless, and add what is specifically our own."

Seems the respect was mutual: "While watching ‘Fist of Fury’ for the first time, Mao dissolved in tears, Liu recalled, and said “Bruce Lee is a hero!” Mao watched the film twice more. Liu said he did not know of any other movie that Mao viewed three times."

So, you're saying Ben Saunders is a commie? Phone Post 3.0

MountainMedic - So, you're saying Ben Saunders is a commie? Phone Post 3.0

Precisely. Pinko traitors. In my opinion he and Ray Longo and Tim Boetsch should be blacklisted! Let's keep naming names.

As mentioned there is roughly your 2 schools of thought wiht Jeet kune do. What today is called Jun Fan Jeet kune do is the style that is a copy of what Bruce lee teached and believed. Advocated strong side forward, longest weapon to closet target, vertical or 45 degree lead hand to throw its straight lead punch.

JKD Concepts which is what a lot of people do that look like MMA and each argue which is the real JKD of the use what works discard what does not.

What I once read from a first generation student it might of been Dan insonato was that they are both right. But the idea of the orginal reason bruce taught a set style with its own methodology that he was so against with other styles was just a foundation to build on.that you can't learn by throwing a mix match of things together with no base or theory behind it. You learn a structure and foundation and then you Find what works for you and then you can, remove and change things as you want but it was just intended to be just that to find your own way.