Jiu-jitsu is bad for judo

Is it bad for judo with today's rules and whatnot? maybe

Is it bad for improving your overall ground game? Absolutely not.

Readying all the comments once you enter the "other" sports elements the favor is with the other sport. There are some elements that are commonly shared among BJJ, sambo,wrestling, judo. Xtraining might enhance one facet of your particular sport.But won't make a huge difference in your success in your sport. If you want to be a judo champion then you better be able to throw for ippon. The most balanced fighter the US has is Kayla Harrrison who can win either with her standup skills or mat skills. Ronda was similar in her abilities. Pedro was similar, equal standup/mat skills.

Whatever, you don't want to train BJJ, keep sucking on the ground. Its not my problem.

it totally depends on your purpose. in judo, as the rules are currently called, you are not going to have a ton of guard play or get points for sweeps, hooks, etc... the chokes are more specific and the types of submissions are only strangles and elbows.

thus, remove all the subs in bjj and even sambo that are not chokes or elbows and you lose quite a bit already. so, no, those are not at all applicable to a judo competitor.

if you want to be successful in judo's competitive newaza realm then the level of proficency you need to have in bjj is pretty high. bjj tends to preach a slow, methodical manner in things while judo is the opposite.

now, are there some differences that you can bring from bjj into judo easily? yes. just the same as many of the things in judo will come over to bjj easily.

in the end, the conversation is kinda moot. it all depends on the manner in which somebody implements things.

Excellent points Josh.....

One element that I find to be a very important skill set in both grappling arts (BJJ & Judo) that have not been brought up too much is seamless transitions from feet to the ground. To me, these 2 are separated much to often in drilling, training, learning etc. I think in many ways folkstyle wrestling helps ingrain this in how there must be 'control' after the takedown to ensure point awarded. In Judo, you can simply throw your opponent and stay standing, and still win. In BJJ, many practitioners pull guard and play a slow methodical game (which in my opinion is NOT the funnest thing to watch....but to most ppl neither is Judo). I have found by watching and practicing, that takedowns/throwing techniques followed up directly into a control position or submission, is the way to be most efficient no matter the pace of the match. So, training tirelessly from your feet into positions of control is the way to go (just my humble opinion), instead of enduring a long tactical battle of micro positioning and gripping battles in either ground or standing exchanges (but, I still believe that to be great in any grappling art you need to know, train, feel and understand these positions).

Only reason this blog post and discussion is being had is newaza instruction sucks and training methods for newaza suck presently for the majority of USA judo. This is on its own,not compared to Bjj or whatever else.

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Jayflo hit an important aspect of judo, transitioins from standing to mat work that is critical to your judo development/success. BJJ you have a lot of time to setup while judo you want to take the split second advantage of attacking your opponent on the ground from an position immediately after the throw. Even though we practice mat work seperately from standing the mindset is attack after the throw. But this is only accomplished if you practice this way. Develope the techniques/mindset.

HoldYerGround
1 day ago
Whatever, you don't want to train BJJ, keep sucking on the ground. Its not my problem.

Lol yeah cus nooo judoka has any newazza skills! Phone Post

comparing a purple belt to an olympic level judoka is comparing apples to oranges. get real people. Average judoka, average school, matwork sucks as a generalization in the USA. Yes the best are going to be the best, by definition. this is a silly argument, silly blog post IMO. good post by JR.

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To make a wide generalization among Judoka in the USA, no, no they don't have very strong newaza skills at all.

What I found most useful about BJJ when I trained Judo intensely was passes and sweeps. Given my then limited access to BJJ, I watched all of the DVD's around, but found few really solid gi' DVD's on passes and sweeps. The best one at the time was Saulo Ribeiro's and I picked up for myself 1-2 good passes and 1-2 sweeps. I am still using some of the passes in Judo.

Other things like weird advanced guards I found it hard to see how to transfer to Judo successfully, so I never tried these seriously, or just did them for fun in practice. I also did not find submission instruction from BJJ useful.

The details on arm-bars and chokes from the back I've seen in BJJ is actually worse than in Judo. Perhaps because not many people give up their back so much.

SamboSteve,

I watched those BJJ vs. Sambo videos once, they were interesting.

My experience from what I've seen in Russia/ various Eastern Europe dojos is that BJJ guys have a SUPER hard time with A-level Judo guys in the gi'.

Check this match out:

http://www.youtube.com/user/mmabg#p/u/55/yifodtyg1YQ

thats R. Dimitrov (Combat sambo world champ + judo/sambo/mma dude) in white gi' vs. L. Guedjev (purple/brown belt in BJJ, 10+ years of experience in BJJ, MMA fighter, main ADCC referree) in blue gi'.

Now this dude ain't even close to A-level judo, yet BJJ guy has super hard time with him and loses.

This is a BJJ match and as you can see, the BJJ dude has a super hard time of getting anything going. That is how I have seen these matches play out, exactly like this one.

Yes, some passes/sweeps are useful, but in a 5-min match against these animals, you are very unlikely to be pulling off fancy sweeps, triangles, arm-bars, etc.

And a missed attempt will quickly get you pinned and game over, as Canto found out a few times. Different game.

fun match to watch. White gi was super balanced and strong. The blue gi tried multiple arm bar setups but to no avail. No chance to sweep with the white gi's wide base. Suprized he didn't try to hook under the leg for a sweep.

judoblackbelt - Jayflo hit an important aspect of judo, transitioins from standing to mat work that is critical to your judo development/success. BJJ you have a lot of time to setup while judo you want to take the split second advantage of attacking your opponent on the ground from an position immediately after the throw. Even though we practice mat work seperately from standing the mindset is attack after the throw. But this is only accomplished if you practice this way. Develope the techniques/mindset.



Newb question:

When I practice throws, I often try to immediately follow to the ground but my instructor is telling me to stay standing. I am too new to understand if this is for the betterment of the technique or not. All my instincts want me to follow the throw to the ground though. How can I tell if it is for the betterment of the technique vs. sport rules?

jbb,

This dude is not even REMOTELY close to A-level judo. And many people are saying that the BJJ dude is really at the black belt level (he is way overdue).

In a 5-min Judo match, when some of these monsters gets a hold of you, say Georgiev, you ain't going nowhere. You ain't sweeping or subbing anyone in a 5-min match.
And God help you if you miss the attempt and end up pinned. You are done. And it doesn't mater if your name is Marcelo Garcia or Galvao.

So yes, I agree with Anna Maria, for top level competitive Judo, BJJ is pretty much useless. In the same way, wrestling is not helpful for Judo (unless your dojo sucks).

panic 686- when you throw you hold onto the the opponent's gi with at least one hand and follow up immediately with mat work is the text book answer. That way you keep the opponent near you for mat work if not an ippon. Many times in randori we don't follow up with mat work because we practicing throwing skills to get more attacks in. You might be behind in a contest and might forego matwork to get as many throwing attempts in when time is working against you. We also practice throws with matwork attacks after the throw. Another reason your instrctor does this is you don't people rolling on the ground while others are throwing, possible collisions/injuries.
Judo - Who said the guy was "A" level? I have been to an A level event and have watched many A level event judo matches. And I agree he is no way near "A" level. I was impressed by his side control when he got regarded.

I wasn't impressed by his side control when he got regarded.

The question could also be adressed like this,

Is too much extensive sport judo training Bad for Your Bjj?

Too much of any training away from Your actual sport could Be detrimental to the sport You are currently pursuing.

However,the right mixture of crosstraining with the proper realization of What You can do and What You Cant do in Your own particular sport, is probably worth investing time in. Phone Post

Yeah the Georgiev guy isn't anywhere near A level Judo, merely a world champion in Combat Sambo, no big deal. The BJJ guy is, eh, who? A world champion? A top level competitor? A black belt? Or is he none of those things?

How could you possibly use this match to make your argument?