Jones’ wrestling and ground has been lacking in recent years but that is always where he kicked ass. Remember on his come up, he destroyed guys there and easily. This is vintage Jones. Also showing some positional skills.
Sorry haters. Jones is back.
awesome post
awesome win by jones
I remember when he was dominating everyone he fought on the ground, beast
hes a monster on top
Yup. First off, his tds were pretty unstoppable but against he kinda did the same method as against Rampage tonight, chop em down with kicks from range, wear em down, take em down, finish em off. No one has been able to survive Jones on the ground from my memory?
I didn’t remember Jones being this good on the ground. Its like he turned into Maia. At the opposite, i thought he struggled a bit to take Gus down. Considering how he took down DC…
He abandoned his wrestling his last few fights reminds me of Aldo abandoning his leg kicks and never being quite the same after
His only loss cam on the ground.
floofy - I didn't remember Jones being this good on the ground. Its like he turned into Maia. At the opposite, i thought he struggled a bit to take Gus down. Considering how he took down DC...
Yeah, his wrestling was pretty unstoppable before but he was patient, he’s always been a smart fighter with a smart team. this was like the Rampage fight, Rampage had good tdd as well but he wore him down from range and then once on the ground, he sealed the deal quickly.
But cmon man, he absolutely smashed guys on the ground before, remember the Vera fight? Bader? Bader was undefeated and a top notch wrestler and Jones eaily took him down and tapped him out quick iirc. Vitor, Chael, he handled those guys eaily on the ground (with the exception of being near subbed by Vitor of course).
Simply put: Jones has the best combination of GNP and subs. Much like GSP with his combo of striking and tds, its pretty hard to survive against that level of skill with both elements. Add his improved positional skill like taking passing and taking the back and pretty dam deadly. As soon as he took the back, he slaughtered Gus. Kinda like Aldo/Brown.
DC was able to get up using traditional wrestling. But I don’t think any fighter in the history of MMA can hold DC down.
Jones on top is – at worst – top 5 in the history of the sport. His finishing ability is out of this world.
The most underrated top guy ever, IMO, is Shogun. His GnP was just incredible.
But Jones is probably the best top fighter ever.
wiggum - DC was able to get up using traditional wrestling. But I don't think any fighter in the history of MMA can hold DC down.Jones on top is – at worst – top 5 in the history of the sport. His finishing ability is out of this world.
The most underrated top guy ever, IMO, is Shogun. His GnP was just incredible.
But Jones is probably the best top fighter ever.
How many times did Jones get DC down over 2 fights though? Zero in fight 2 and once or twice in fight 1?
Any reason why you think his td prowess kinda dipped down over the recent years Wiggs? LIke against OSP, I was expecting him to get it down and end it quick when he wasn’t killing it on the feet. The first Gus fight, well, I think it now shows he wasn’t at his best as he said he didn’t train for that fight…this fight reminded me of the Rampage fight.
Wiggs, to add…yes, like no one comes close to GSP’s striking and wrestling combinations, I don’t think anyone comes close to Jones’ GNP and sub ability. Fedor was not near as good with either as Jones. The only other guy I can think of now who has GNP and subs is Kevin Lee. Matt Hughes is another past great at it but I don’t think either come close to Jones. DJ has shown his sub skills but he was never really a great GNP again from my memory…
The difference is if he doesnt get the take down easily, he doesnt keep clinging on for dear life desparately like a Damian Maia or some of the wrestlers and bjj dudes out there who look like Royce fucking Gracie in the early UFC's. When it's time, he gets it to the mat if he wants it. There was a huge difference in how much harder he tried for the take down in the third vs the first and how tired Gus was, which made it that much easier.
wiggum - DC was able to get up using traditional wrestling. But I don't think any fighter in the history of MMA can hold DC down.Jones on top is – at worst – top 5 in the history of the sport. His finishing ability is out of this world.
The most underrated top guy ever, IMO, is Shogun. His GnP was just incredible.
But Jones is probably the best top fighter ever.
Yeah, Shogun murdered Overeem and Arona quickly with hammer fists of DEATH. Jones has broken Vera and Hammill’s faces.
Non N00B -wiggum - DC was able to get up using traditional wrestling. But I don't think any fighter in the history of MMA can hold DC down.Jones on top is – at worst – top 5 in the history of the sport. His finishing ability is out of this world.
The most underrated top guy ever, IMO, is Shogun. His GnP was just incredible.
But Jones is probably the best top fighter ever.
Yeah, Shogun murdered Overeem and Arona quickly with hammer fists of DEATH. Jones has broken Vera and Hammill’s faces.
Yup. And he held Dan Henderson in mount for like two minutes while dropping hammers. And he murdered Forest Griffin.
Wasa-B - Wiggs, to add...yes, like no one comes close to GSP's striking and wrestling combinations, I don't think anyone comes close to Jones' GNP and sub ability. Fedor was not near as good with either as Jones. The only other guy I can think of now who has GNP and subs is Kevin Lee. Matt Hughes is another past great at it but I don't think either come close to Jones. DJ has shown his sub skills but he was never really a great GNP again from my memory....
Lee’s ability to reach dominant position on top is remarkable–even in the loss to Raging Al.
But, his finishing ability against elite competition–well, we saw what happened when he ran into Tony and Al.
Jones can do it at the highest levels. It’s remarkable. I have him above Maia, Jacare, Fedor, and Shogun.
Kings21 -His only loss cam on the ground.
Well, I mean....yeah
Wasa-B -wiggum - DC was able to get up using traditional wrestling. But I don't think any fighter in the history of MMA can hold DC down.Jones on top is – at worst – top 5 in the history of the sport. His finishing ability is out of this world.
The most underrated top guy ever, IMO, is Shogun. His GnP was just incredible.
But Jones is probably the best top fighter ever.
How many times did Jones get DC down over 2 fights though? Zero in fight 2 and once or twice in fight 1?
Any reason why you think his td prowess kinda dipped down over the recent years Wiggs? LIke against OSP, I was expecting him to get it down and end it quick when he wasn’t killing it on the feet. The first Gus fight, well, I think it now shows he wasn’t at his best as he said he didn’t train for that fight…this fight reminded me of the Rampage fight.
IIRC, twice in fight one. And DC got up right away both times.
Honestly, not sure why his TD prowess has gotten worse. I think the best explanation is: (1) He was fighting DC and Gus and (2) in the OSP fight, he wasn’t roiding.
But, that’s just my guess.
This fight definitely looked like the Rampage fight.
Wasa-B - Simply put: Jones has the best combination of GNP and subs. Much like GSP with his combo of striking and tds, its pretty hard to survive against that level of skill with both elements. Add his improved positional skill like taking passing and taking the back and pretty dam deadly. As soon as he took the back, he slaughtered Gus. Kinda like Aldo/Brown.
yea I agree
I think jones has the most dangerous top game in MMA period
passes guard like butter
it's pretty incredible to watch
even in his younger days he was just able to force the takedown and ragdoll guys, he doesn't even have to do that anymore because his striking is still solid
jones outstruck gus for 2 rounds before finishing him
Another underrated top fighter: Anderson Silva.
People forget that the front kick didn’t KO Vitor. The pinpoint accurate punches that followed them did. His work on top against Hendo was similarly amazing.