Not sure how many fans realize it, but there were two 10-8 rounds scored by the judges in the McMann-Tate fight.
Lester Griffin gave Tate a 10-8 in the 2nd round. A round McMann was ahead in while standing, but lost when caught in a guillotine in the final minute. It was a pretty close round and one judge gave it to McMann. 10-8????
Glenn Trowbridge then gave Tate a 10-8 in the 3rd round... a round that consisted entirely of Tate getting on top and controlling the fight for 5 minutes. Not nearly enough damage to score a 10-8.
When my kids call me and say "that wasn't enough damage for a 10-8" and "how was that round lopsided enough for a 10-8" it makes you wonder why is it so difficult for these judges to get it right?
The guillotine is probably the most attempted submission... and least completed... in MMA. If almost getting a guillotine gets you a 10-8 then we could have that in almost every fight that has a takedown in it.
And if a takedown to top control gets you a 10-8, wrestlers will take over the sport. How do you justify a 10-8 in a round where the fighters are warned they might be stood up for lack of action?
Too many big fights and careers decided by judges. Something has to be done to weed out the ones who simply don't get it.
Adalaide Byrd was chosen for that Card for at least two fights.
That's all people need to know that nothing has or will change. It's not even Vegas this time and the commission appointed Byrd to judge something she has no idea how to judge, let alone watch.
Actually looking closer Byrd and Trollbridge have done both PPV's this year already in two different states...
Nevada is the biggest state for MMA... more big events than anywhere else. So what does it say about the future of our sport if even in Nevada bad judges continue to get assignments no matter how they perform?
Why don't they have to show signs of improving, or be forced to go to seminars to learn what they need to know?
These 10-8 scores were silly... if you are going to give a 10-8 in a 3-round fight, there has to be dominance AND damage. It is not a hard concept to grasp.
promoter - Nevada is the biggest state for MMA... more big events than anywhere else. So what does it say about the future of our sport if even in Nevada bad judges continue to get assignments no matter how they perform?
Why don't they have to show signs of improving, or be forced to go to seminars to learn what they need to know?
These 10-8 scores were silly... if you are going to give a 10-8 in a 3-round fight, there has to be dominance AND damage. It is not a hard concept to grasp.
Very old boxing pundits and journalists have been asking the same question and concluded "Corruption" for a long time.
I am forced to agree, but mix in incompetence with MMA, they may have been just corrupt in boxing but they are both corrupt AND incompetent in the case of Byrd or Peoples or other boxing judges transplanted without any experience or perceived instruction into MMA.
Priziesthorse, not sure who your sources are, but mine are pretty solid. Griffin scored 10-9 McMann in first, 10-8 Tate in second, 10-9 Tate in third for 29-27 total.
From MMA Junkie: Judging: Dave Hagen (29-28, giving Tate rounds 2 and 3), Lester Griffin (29-27, giving Tate rounds 2 and 3, with round 2 a 10-8), Glenn Trowbridge (28-28, giving McMann rounds 1 and 2 but giving Tate a 10-8 in round 3)
Goddamn.
Round three was definitely a 10-8 round. Miesha reversed the throw, ended up in side control and stayed on top the rest of the round advancing and landing shots. Tell me something Sarah actually completed in round three.
I don't see round two being 10-8, but definitely 10-9 to Miesha also, sure McMann landed a fee shots, but Tate landed better shots causing Sarah to get a bloody nose and shoot for a takedown which Tate controlled and ended up on top from.
Obviously not everyone agrees with the judges, but if you don't want to leave it to chance finish the other person or dominate them. Seems pretty simple if you ask me. 
Before his death, Jeff Blatnick was used in Jersey and a few other places, Riccardo Almeida is used by at least New Jersey and Judo Gene gets used in California if not more places.
Ironic New Jersey seems to be the most interested in using ACTUAL MMA related people ahead of others but it needs to happen more
So one judege gave a 10-8 to Tate in the second and another gave that same round to McMann. That's pretty ridiculous.
priziesthorse -promoter - Priziesthorse, not sure who your sources are, but mine are pretty solid. Griffin scored 10-9 McMann in first, 10-8 Tate in second, 10-9 Tate in third for 29-27 total.
From MMA Junkie: Judging: Dave Hagen (29-28, giving Tate rounds 2 and 3), Lester Griffin (29-27, giving Tate rounds 2 and 3, with round 2 a 10-8), Glenn Trowbridge (28-28, giving McMann rounds 1 and 2 but giving Tate a 10-8 in round 3)
This is absolutely not true. Lester Griffin scored round 3 a 10-8, not the 2nd round.
You can see the scorecard right here.
http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/20150131075451_scorecard__tate_vs.JPG
Well that clears that up.
Priziesthorse, I'm not arguing Tate won the third round, or the fight. But there were no 10-8 rounds. C'mon... not a single media outlet scored that round a 10-8.
A reversal and body-head striking for 5 minutes looks good in the stats, but there wasn't much damage done.
There wasn't enough damage done in the first round... and McMann broke her orbital in two places.
Seeing as how hard it is to get a 10-8, what would you have to do to get a 10-7 or lower? I would imagine a 10-5 would be impossible, because the fight would be over before then . .
I stand corrected on the second round... I saw it on MMA Junkie and somebody else (an official) at the event said the same thing.
Again, not arguing who won, but there have been countless rounds of a takedown and total control... very unusual to get a 10-8 unless there is a lot of damage. In my opinion, there just wasn't enough damage to score it that way.
Even though Judo Gene doesn't work that often, he has only done ONE UFC in 5 years.
I wish he would do more as well as Almeida.
You can do 10-8 rds in boxing because fights have lots of rounds. But in MMA, with most fights only 3 rounds, a 10-8 pretty much seals the deal. There have been lots of really lopsided rounds, with multiple knockdowns ... rounds with guys getting their heads dribbled with elbows and ending a second before an armbar was completed... that weren't scored 10-8.
I've talked to quite a few people in the business who have no connection to either side and haven't had anybody say it was a 10-8 yet.
I don't get on here much anymore, just wanted to voice my opinion... thanks for the input, especially on the Round 2 thing!
From the unified rules...
"a round is to be scored as a 10-8 round when a contestant overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round."OP,
OP, please read the unified rules before taking it upon yourself to tell others how a 10-8 round is supposed be scored. Nowhere does it say anything about damage (as you keep implying it does.)
If Meisha dominated that round from start to finish, even if there was no damage, a 10-8 round is justifiable under the unified rules. In this case the judges got it right and you didn't.
Judging is the most secure job out there it seems.....they are impervious to discipline (unless of course they besmirch the name of the commission)