I have been cross training with BJJ guys since the 80's back in Brazil. I used to train at Gama Filho university in Rio and the Clube de Regatas Flamengo. Quite often we would have JJ guys there to learn/training stand up techniques. Now days I train BJJ at Carlson Gracie Chicago. I have many BJJ guys approaching me to asking witch throws they should train for BJJ that would be affective in BJJ tournaments.
So here is my list. This list is base on my own experience. So, I am not saying that this is the ultimate list of throws that everyone should know, but, I guess, if you are interested in getting better standing, this list may help. The mind set of someone with a judo background in BJJ tournament is to be dominant all the time and not landing in bad positions where you give out your back or end up in your opponent's guard or half guard. First thing I do is to get a dominant grip, I don't let my opponent grab me the way he wants, I let them chase me for their grips and them I attack. I also think you should pick 3 techniques first and make sure you are good at them before move on to the next 3. Finally, I would like to clarify that during BJJ classes I do BJJ. I pull guard and try to work off my back as much as possible and yes... I put my self in bad positions, most of times unintentionally ;0). I love BJJ and the great instructions of Carlson and Daniel Wanderley.
Here are my list of favorite throws, if you don't know this throws copy and past on the youtube search, note that for a lot of these throws I use an under hook arm:
-Ashiwaza:
1)O soto Gari,
2)O soto otoshi
3)Okuri/De Ashi Harai
4)Harai/Sasae Tsuri komi ashi
5)Ko soto gake
6)Uchi Mata
7)Ashi Guruma
-Koshiwaza:
1) Harai goshi ( my tokui waza)
2) Sode tsuri komi goshi
-Ma sutemi waza:
1)Hiki Komi gaeshi
2)Sumi gaeshi
3)Tomoe nage
-Yoko sutemi waza:
1)Yoko Tomoe nage
2)Harai makikomi* (modified)
3)tani otoshi
4)uchimata makikomi
-Te waza
1)Ippon/Morote seoi nage (modified)
2)kuchiki taoshi
3)Morote Gari
4)Seoi Otoshi (modified)
5)Tai otoshi
6)Te guruma
I think the only one I don't do is a uchi mata makkikomi, otherwise I agree w the list. If I can I will also try to hit a hane gosh as well if they move into the proper angle for it.
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Hunter V - I think the only one I don't do is a uchi mata makkikomi, otherwise I agree w the list. If I can I will also try to hit a hane gosh as well if they move into the proper angle for it.
Hi Hunter,
Uchimata makikomi most of times is an unintentional result of a failed uchi mata where I turn my back too much. But, I see your point.
judoinmotion - I have been cross training with BJJ guys since the 80's back in Brazil. I used to train at Gama Filho university in Rio and the Clube de Regatas Flamengo. Quite often we would have JJ guys there to learn/training stand up techniques. Now days I train BJJ at Carlson Gracie Chicago. I have many BJJ guys approaching me to asking witch throws they should train for BJJ that would be affective in BJJ tournaments.
So here is my list. This list is base on my own experience. So, I am not saying that this is the ultimate list of throws that everyone should know, but, I guess, if you are interested in getting better standing, this list may help. The mind set of someone with a judo background in BJJ tournament is to be dominant all the time and not landing in bad positions where you give out your back or end up in your opponent's guard or half guard. First thing I do is to get a dominant grip, I don't let my opponent grab me the way he wants, I let them chase me for their grips and them I attack. I also think you should pick 3 techniques first and make sure you are good at them before move on to the next 3. Finally, I would like to clarify that during BJJ classes I do BJJ. I pull guard and try to work off my back as much as possible and yes... I put my self in bad positions, most of times unintentionally ;0). I love BJJ and the great instructions of Carlson and Daniel Wanderley.
Here are my list of favorite throws:
-Ashiwaza:
1)O soto Gari,
2)O soto otoshi
3)Okuri/De Ashi Harai
4)Harai/Sasae Tsuri komi ashi
5)Ko soto gake
6)Uchi Mata
7)Ashi Guruma
-Koshiwaza:
1) Harai goshi ( my tokui waza)
-Ma sutemi waza:
1)Hiki Komi gaeshi
2)Sumi gaeshi
3)Tomoe nage
-Yoko sutemi waza:
1)Yoko Tomoe nage
2)Harai makikomi
3)tani otoshi
4)uchimata makikomi
-Te waza
1)Ippon/Morote seoi nage (modified)
2)kuchiki taoshi
3)Morote Gari
4)Seoi Otoshi (modified)
5)Tai otoshi
6)Te guruma
English motherfucker, do you speak it!?
My opinion, hence must be taken with grain of salt since striped whitey here; I see and realize just how judo is to grappling, but reading the list you were so kind to type, I do not understand any of the attacks.. It's my own fault I amit, but is there ways to translate the meaning of an attack, so that a larger portion of people would begin to have a conceptual idea of them.. Just a thought. And I'm looking for judo club in central NY
I am a brown belt in both BJJ and judo. The judo i would use in randori at the judo dojo is quite different than what i would use against the bjj classmates.
I would be curious as to what makes you avoid certain tachiwaza in favor of the ones you specified
What is the main difference in standup grappling in the context of the rules of each sport?
Thanks to take the time and reply to this thread.
To The Mongoose: The best way for you to understand the throws is to copy and paste on the youtube search.
To Tarado4: The "judo game" must to be different due to the rules. The tachiwaza techniques I listed is what works for me and my main concern is to be dominate all the time starting with my grip. If your BJJ opponent get his grip and is comfortable with it chances are that he will pull guard on you and everything will be irrelevant.
The Mongoose - My opinion, hence must be taken with grain of salt since striped whitey here; I see and realize just how judo is to grappling, but reading the list you were so kind to type, I do not understand any of the attacks.. It's my own fault I amit, but is there ways to translate the meaning of an attack, so that a larger portion of people would begin to have a conceptual idea of them.. Just a thought. And I'm looking for judo club in central NY
look up the names at judoinfo.com. It will help you out the best, plus I think they have a listing of different dojos that you could search for your area.
Thanks friends, I will be sure to YouTube and try to come back with at least basic knowledge.
Will be sure to login to the judo site. I have grown tired of trying to use single/double for bjj takedowns (guard-pull). And the great Fedor seems to have said no need 4 it, the judo takedowns r too efficient.. Well plus sambo
you seemed to have named nearly every popular throw out there!!
My personal favourites are:
morote seoi nage
uchimate
tai otoshi
harai goshi
hiki komi gaeshi
I actually get hiki komi a lot. People think I am pulling guard and then find themselves going for a ride.
Andre's awesome at judo. He has a school in Homewood, Illinois that has the nicest mats its been my pleasure to be plopped onto. Ty for the info, Andre!
MickColins - Andre's awesome at judo. He has a school in Homewood, Illinois that has the nicest mats its been my pleasure to be plopped onto. Ty for the info, Andre!
Thanks Sean!
Guys, if are ever interested in roll and your are around chicagoland or North West IN, stop by my school on Fridays night from 6 to 8 PM for our open mat. There is no mat fee, just sign a waver.
address: 18031 Dixie hwy, Homewood, IL
Yoko "f=ing" Otoshi.
After that, Seoi Otoshi, Osoto Gaeshi (vs. a commonly bad Osoto Gari), Uchimata vs. failed single leg, and tai otoshi vs. anything. Also Sumi Gaesi. If my opponent thinks they know some Judo, then it's my special BJJ Kosoto Gari.
Good Luck.
Greetings UG,
I prefer sacrifice throws that DO NOT put in my opponent's guard when we hit the mat.
Here is a perfect, recent, real-world example of a Judo throw that would have ended the match, but only two points in a BJJ comp (and you are in a bad spot if the guy has a great guard).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbrmf7aSovk
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I also like same-sided grip tai-otoshi, Inoue's uchimata and Koga's ISN. And just because I like them does not me I can perform them ANYWHERE near as well as them! We can all dream though, yeah?
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Finally...I know, I know...."What" aint no country I ever heard of.
Best,
John Turner
ps: can a blue namer help a brother out? thanx in advance...JT
No Kata Guruma? I use several modified versions with excellent results. I use a variation I learned from Fritz Goss quite a long time ago, as well as a great version Cyborg showed me.
Cyborg's Kata Guruma is awesome.
So is Pablo Popovich does an insane Armdrag-Ko ouchi gari. Does that have a specific name?
Interesting stuff. Thanks!