Judo competitors….a suggestion

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If you are striving to be a top level competitor in Judo, you would serve yourself well to learn Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. If you're lucky, you will contact the following guy to help you in your pursuit.

We had the great fortune of having David Camarillo and Mike Malloy conduct a BJJ seminar at our Club in Colorado Springs, Timberline (http://www.timberlinejudo.com). It was the first time I had been exposed to formal teaching in BJJ.

I consider myself to be a decent ne waza competitor, but I can tell you I was blown away by the technical understanding David has for matwork and grappling. It was also neat to see someone who can share his knowledge, teach others his skills, in a fun, relaxed way.

This seminar was exciting in that we had athletes from all over the region, who participate in a variety of different martial arts: BJJ, Judo, MMA, submission wrestling, pancrase, attend the seminar.

Everyone learned something. For Judoplayers, Dave is very good at explaining which BJJ techniques apply to a Judo match, and which don't. It was also beneficial to see someone who has perfected his craft so much that every time he performs a technique, he does it so fast and so powerfully, you get a clear picture of what you should aim for with your own skills.

One of the best ways to be a world class Judoplayer, especially if you're from the US, is to become a skilled mat expert. You'll be able to win more matches, pressure more of your opponents, and beat opponents who are more skilled than you.

If you live in the San Jose area, Dave runs his own Academy. I know if I lived there, I would miss Judo practice to learn the skills he teaches and develop the fitness it takes to fight several BJJ ne waza rounds.

If you don't live in San Jose, and you are interested in learning BJJ techniques that apply directly to sport Judo, contact Dave (howididit04@hotmail.com) and get him to conduct a seminar in your area. You will be thoroughly amazed at the curriculum he teaches and you will be giving your own competitors an unfair advantage!

Here's a link to his website: http://www.akakickbox.com/dave-bio.html

Todd Brehe

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Check out Camarillo in action on "Dave against the machine"

Dave, as as judo/bjjers myself I love your skills. But we'll never ever discuss politics! :-D

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"...why in the world have some people who always sound like they are more interested in BJJ than in Judo been hanging out on this part of the UG?"

Can't you be interested in both? I like both! Oddly enough it seems that when I have visited BJJ dojo or have had Jiu-Jitsuka visit our Judo club everbody has been very respectful and helpful. I think the alledged animosity between Judo and BJJ exists only on the internet.

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it is an internet thing for the most part because no one is face to face..

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It is an internet thing, but I must disagree with one thing that tbon3 says.

"One of the best ways to be a world class Judoplayer, especially if you're from the US, is to become a skilled mat expert. "
This is totally incorrect. You could be as good as Rickson, but if you are not great at tachi-waza you will never be a world class Judo player. You won't win more matches, pressure your opponent, or beat people who are better than you consistently.

Why? Because if you cannot skillfully take your opponent to the mat in judo, you will never be able to employ the huge advantage on the ground.

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allcloser,

The BJJ forum is much more open minded than the UG. You can discuss the pros and cons of both BJJ and Judo on the BJJ and not have 15 year old dorks continually butt in and turn it into a which is superior thread.

Pete Pelter

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Define top-level. You're really opening up a sweet topic for those who have been complaining about it being boring here.

Like the human torch said : "Flame on"

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Pete,
Todd was/is a great throwster in his competitive days. He was on two world teams ('97 &'99) and was also an Olympic alternate behind Jason Morris in 2000. I think Todd is assuming that you can get opponent to ground, then a bjj focus is a big help. Plus Camarillo was teaching the seminar, and he isn't too bad in judo either.

Cid Gumban

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tbon3,

Thanks for the post.

David could be an awesome help to alot of the young judokas in this country.

Might be a good idea to e-mail the state organizations and Yudanshakais with this testimonial. If I ran one of the organizations, I know I'd bring him down.

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judodork,

Thanks for clarifying who made the post. It puts the post in an entirely different context. What you said about Camarillo is what I was implying. The dude is great standing, so he will be able to get to the matwork. Obviously, this would work for a guy like Todd as well. At first glance, it just sounded like if you're a good bjjer (black belt) you are automatically a world class judo player as well.

Pete Pelter

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Great posts, let the revolution begin!!!!! Sorry got excited.

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Hi FlopsyBunny,

you wrote,

"but I still happen to think that the best way to be a top competitor in Judo is to do lots of Judo."

Just for the record, first time I watched David and his brother compete in judo was a little more than 12 years ago, when they were teenagers. They both had very good judo. One of the benefits of growing up with your dad as an instructor.

If there is anyone out there who has perspective on the subject of applying BJJ techniques or principles for the benefit of judo competition; it is David. The other two guys in the U.S. would be Rhadi and Lloyd, but no offense to both of them, David grew up in judo and was not the physical specimen that Rhadi is. David is all technique. Whether it was judo or BJJ.

I dunno. I think he's got something important to say and teach, if people want to listen. I honestly think state organizations and Yudanshakais should try and bring him down for clinics and seminars. If they don't, I think they are morons. That's just my opinion.

TTT for David.

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allcloser...
nobody should be afraid to hear that there are some short-cominmgs
in judo. or in any martial art for that matter. i mean, come on.. judo
isnt perfect and neither is anything else.

what i can tell you very easily is that somebody with the newaza skills
of david camarillo is easily able to teach a lot of things to anybody who
does judo-- even they have trained at some of the very best judo clubs
in the country.

if you dont believe me, well.. too bad for you. its the truth if you like it
or not. it would even remain true in places like japan and europe as
well.

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What is funny is the facxt that years ago when David was competing
there were a lot of people that critiszied him for his abilities are now
on the wagon. I find this funnier then hell myself, but folks will learn
that he is a great teacher. I am proud to say I have helped him develop
as an athlete and now a teacher. Great to hear you did a great job dude
- you make me proud whenever I hear about you when you are doing
great things.

See ya monday

David

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a juji is a juji regardless of where you learn it from. the same is true
with every single armlock and choke. bjj's techniques are the exact
same as judo's (well, they add things like neck cranks and leg locks too
but if you get your instincts all messed-up becuase of that then you
are a moron anyways) it is just that they refined the application and
teaching of them to a level that is more on par with judo's tachiwaza.

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I always wanted to say something redundant:
JR has dimelo'ed the correct.
Whew. Now that that is out my system: I've had the pleasure of learning from a few national team members, including one world medalist, all who have had great newaza and definately had all the qualities that JR has attributed(not sure if this is the right word) of bjj. And I say this based on having the opportunity to roll with two bjj blackbelts. The fact of the matter is principles of holding someone down, locking, and choking are the same. Only the methods differ, the strategy in bringing about that desired result. Nothing I have seen technique-wise in bjj is new to me, but I cannot say the same for set-ups. While judo guys in general, at the rec level, have the basic tools (techniques), the application of said tools are(I can only speak from a north american standpoint) limited to attacking the turtle, due to tournaments. That's just the nature of the beast.
In my opinion, if you want to get the complete judo experience in NA, you would have to pick up bjj if the groundwork is weak in your area, wrestle, do a little sambo, but importantly travel overseas.

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"Likewise why spend hours of time practicing blocking attacks that are illegal in Judo competition?"

I gotta agree with that.

That's why David could be one of the most important judoka/bjj guys to listen to. Most likely, the MOST important guy.

David has to have at least 20 years judo experience. He also has at least 10 years of experience in BJJ. He has competed at a national and international level in both.

If anyone knows what to take from each art and make it useful in the other; it is David. If you're a judoka, who only cares about competing in judo shiai, he knows what's useful in BJJ. vice versa as well.

I stand by my earlier comments. If the judo community over here doesn't use him more, they are a bunch of morons.

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halvi, who is the other bjj black belt you have rolled with?