Kanadian MPP speaks truth re: CV, gets booted out.

MPP = member of provincial parliament (Ontario)..

https://thepostmillennial.com/ford-kicks-out-mpp-who-wrote-letter-asking-him-to-end-lockdown?fbclid=IwAR0220bMzmN7UEAToAeHKP3eeOioVxqQA4uYkXwqXMi1djIElal3ffMOkBE

BREAKING: Ford kicks out MPP who wrote letter asking premier to end lockdown

Doug Ford has just kicked out York-Centre MPP Roman Baber, after he respectfully wrote him a letter asking him to reconsider the lockdowns. This makes Baber the fifth MPP to be kicked out by Doug in the last two years.

Doug Ford has kicked out York-Centre MPP Roman Baber, after he wrote him a letter asking him to reconsider the lockdowns. This makes Baber the fifth MPP to be kicked out by Doug in the last two years.

Baber wrote a letter to Premier Ford this morning titled "The Lockdown is deadlier than COVID". In his letter, he highlights the facts about COVID-19 and hospital occupancy.

Baber then went on to describe the multiple consequences of lockdowns on people's health, the economy, and children. "The medicine is killing the patient. I write on behalf of my North York constituents and plead for the millions of lives and livelihoods ruined by Ontario's public health restrictions," Baber Wrote

https://twitter.com/Roman_Baber/status/1350039239090601984

In response, Ontario Premier Doug Ford kicked Baber out of the PC Caucus and has banned him from seeking re-election as a Progressive Conservative. Ford also called Baber's comments irresponsible.

https://twitter.com/l_stone/status/1350081869816197123

Baber is the fifth person who has been kicked out of the PC Caucus in the last two years. This follows the departure of Jim Wilson, Randy Hillier, Amanda Simard, and Belinda Karahalios.

When asked by The Post Millennial about his thoughts on Baber being thrown out of caucus, MPP Randy Hillier said "It is so self evident, it is as clear as an uncloudy day, our response to covid is far more enduring and far more harmful than the virus itself, and all the evidence and the facts are there. The people are not wanting to see the facts."

"What Roman did, I'm very proud of him for doing that, I know that there are a lot more people in caucus that feel the same way, who look at the evidence, at the facts, and come to a very different conclusion than these nihilists at public health."

When asked if he had a message to the rest of the PC caucus MPP Hillier said "We can't live a lie as individuals and we can't live a lie as public figures, our constituents deserve more than us living a lie. I know it's sometimes hard to speak outside of the herd but that's why we get elected, we're supposed to be leaders, not followers. Leadership sometimes comes with some bruises."

The Ontario Ministry of Health has offered a rebuttal to Baber's letter.

https://twitter.com/jm_mcgrath/status/1350120160561139713

Ford issued a stay-at-home order that came into effect yesterday at 12:01am. He has also previously called those who disagree with his lockdowns "yahoos" and told people that every time they leave their homes, they "put people in jeopardy."

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I live here.

Was not a Ford fan before this, but he has done great and won respect from people of all political stripes.

Good move.  Even if we are being overzealous we will be better off if we move together.  I know people are hurting.  I also know there are a lot of people just bitching about wearing a mask. There is lots of government assistance.  Almost everyone is being lenient. We will get through it and we don't want this to be the seeds of division.

There is no "truth" in this.  So caution is warranted.

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mikethecricket -

I live here.

Was not a Ford fan before this, but he has done great and won respect from people of all political stripes.

Good move.  Even if we are being overzealous we will be better off if we move together.  I know people are hurting.  I also know there are a lot of people just bitching about wearing a mask. There is lots of government assistance.  Almost everyone is being lenient. We will get through it and we don't want this to be the seeds of division.

There is no "truth" in this.  So caution is warranted.

There is no "truth" in this, so fire anyone who disagrees with the boss's opinion?

Personally I think that lockdowns have been a terrible idea, and I think that hindsight will show that when all the data is tallied up. But worse than that is something like this, where politicians are effectively fired for simply questioning the narrative. The whole point of a democracy is to argue viewpoints.

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mikethecricket -

I live here.

Was not a Ford fan before this, but he has done great and won respect from people of all political stripes.

Good move.  Even if we are being overzealous we will be better off if we move together.  I know people are hurting.  I also know there are a lot of people just bitching about wearing a mask. There is lots of government assistance.  Almost everyone is being lenient. We will get through it and we don't want this to be the seeds of division.

There is no "truth" in this.  So caution is warranted.

God damn you're a pussy. 

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mikethecricket -

I live here.

Was not a Ford fan before this, but he has done great and won respect from people of all political stripes.

Good move.  Even if we are being overzealous we will be better off if we move together.  I know people are hurting.  I also know there are a lot of people just bitching about wearing a mask. There is lots of government assistance.  Almost everyone is being lenient. We will get through it and we don't want this to be the seeds of division.

There is no "truth" in this.  So caution is warranted.

Why do you ignore science? The WHO issued a statement months ago urging world leaders to stop using lockdowns as a primary means of controlling the virus because they do more harm than good. Stanford University just released a big study confirming this.

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Ok looking at the reaction tweets makes this even worse. Ford doesn't address any of his arguments and just accuses him of "misinformation" without explaining what he's wrong about, and the rebuttal only nitpicked a few things (38% overdose increase and not a 50% one, the spelling of hospitals name, etc) but doesn't even address most of his major points and completely glossed over stuff about hospital occupancy rates not being higher than normal for example.

This looks like another case of facts Vs feels.

Bullshit move by Ford.

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mikethecricket - 

I live here.

Was not a Ford fan before this, but he has done great and won respect from people of all political stripes.

Good move.  Even if we are being overzealous we will be better off if we move together.  I know people are hurting.  I also know there are a lot of people just bitching about wearing a mask. There is lots of government assistance.  Almost everyone is being lenient. We will get through it and we don't want this to be the seeds of division.

There is no "truth" in this.  So caution is warranted.

you dont know shit

try to build and run a business and you might know

right now its clear you dont know fuck all 

Ford is a piece of dogshit and I used to write policy platform ammendments for the PC party 

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HULC - 

Ok looking at the reaction tweets makes this even worse. Ford doesn't address any of his arguments and just accuses him of "misinformation" without explaining what he's wrong about, and the rebuttal only nitpicked a few things (38% overdose increase and not a 50% one, the spelling of hospitals name, etc) but doesn't even address most of his major points and completely glossed over stuff about hospital occupancy rates not being higher than normal for example.

This looks like another case of facts Vs feels.

the only conclusion a rational semi productive human would make from this debacle 

mikethecricket - 

I live here.

Was not a Ford fan before this, but he has done great and won respect from people of all political stripes.

Good move.  Even if we are being overzealous we will be better off if we move together.  I know people are hurting.  I also know there are a lot of people just bitching about wearing a mask. There is lots of government assistance.  Almost everyone is being lenient. We will get through it and we don't want this to be the seeds of division.

There is no "truth" in this.  So caution is warranted.

I live in Kanada also. Please search my ‚Äú98.7‚ÄĚ thread here and please explain how those figures make sense when CV numbers keep rising (the info is from a government website btw)‚Ķ

mikethecricket -

I live here.

Was not a Ford fan before this, but he has done great and won respect from people of all political stripes.

Good move.  Even if we are being overzealous we will be better off if we move together.  I know people are hurting.  I also know there are a lot of people just bitching about wearing a mask. There is lots of government assistance.  Almost everyone is being lenient. We will get through it and we don't want this to be the seeds of division.

There is no "truth" in this.  So caution is warranted.

Hold up Dalton Wynne.  Fords a cunt.  You sound like the liberals he’s acting like.  New conservative leader is a must for Ontario and Canada.   Pierre Poilievre needs to be nominated.  Fords an overeating Trudeau at this point.  

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I live in kitchener, and was following this as it broke. I share the feelings expressed by Baber and was very disappointed to hear Ford gassed him. We are almost a year into this and are still resorting to the same tactics we used in the first couple weeks. Total bullshit. 

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Douchedigalough - 
mikethecricket -

I live here.

Was not a Ford fan before this, but he has done great and won respect from people of all political stripes.

Good move.  Even if we are being overzealous we will be better off if we move together.  I know people are hurting.  I also know there are a lot of people just bitching about wearing a mask. There is lots of government assistance.  Almost everyone is being lenient. We will get through it and we don't want this to be the seeds of division.

There is no "truth" in this.  So caution is warranted.

Hold up Dalton Wynne.  Fords a cunt.  You sound like the liberals he’s acting like.  New conservative leader is a must for Ontario and Canada.   Pierre Poilievre needs to be nominated.  Fords an overeating Trudeau at this point.  

Pierre is a cunt. He had the chance after Andrew got bounced to replace him but he chose not to (he was our best shot) but continues being a bad-ass via clever gotcha lines for his riding (typical politician)…

Douchedigalough -
mikethecricket -

I live here.

Was not a Ford fan before this, but he has done great and won respect from people of all political stripes.

Good move.  Even if we are being overzealous we will be better off if we move together.  I know people are hurting.  I also know there are a lot of people just bitching about wearing a mask. There is lots of government assistance.  Almost everyone is being lenient. We will get through it and we don't want this to be the seeds of division.

There is no "truth" in this.  So caution is warranted.

Hold up Dalton Wynne.  Fords a cunt.  You sound like the liberals he’s acting like.  New conservative leader is a must for Ontario and Canada.   Pierre Poilievre needs to be nominated.  Fords an overeating Trudeau at this point.  

I'd love to see Pierre head the PC party. 

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ArmbarKing - 

I live in kitchener, and was following this as it broke. I share the feelings expressed by Baber and was very disappointed to hear Ford gassed him. We are almost a year into this and are still resorting to the same tactics we used in the first couple weeks. Total bullshit. 

People are reaching a boiling point in Kanada and not buying into the fear tactic’s our liberal MSM keep pushing…

mikethecricket -

I live here.

Was not a Ford fan before this, but he has done great and won respect from people of all political stripes.

Good move.  Even if we are being overzealous we will be better off if we move together.  I know people are hurting.  I also know there are a lot of people just bitching about wearing a mask. There is lots of government assistance.  Almost everyone is being lenient. We will get through it and we don't want this to be the seeds of division.

There is no "truth" in this.  So caution is warranted.

Translation: I'm not hurting so IDGAF! 

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mikethecricket -

I live here.

Was not a Ford fan before this, but he has done great and won respect from people of all political stripes.

Good move.  Even if we are being overzealous we will be better off if we move together.  I know people are hurting.  I also know there are a lot of people just bitching about wearing a mask. There is lots of government assistance.  Almost everyone is being lenient. We will get through it and we don't want this to be the seeds of division.

There is no "truth" in this.  So caution is warranted.

Lol

Just as soon as they get Brampton to care about COVID I'll believe any of their efforts are empiricably effective.

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ChaosOverkill -

Just as soon as they get Brampton to care about COVID I'll believe any of their efforts are empiricably effective.

LOL, one of the only guys that works for my company who got covid was an electrician we sent to Brampton to do shift coverage at an extrusion plant there. Picked it up from one of their maintenance staff.