Kenny Florian and the case against elbows in mma

I think elbows should be banned in mma because if you watched tuf one Florian beat Chris Leben almost entirely on having elbows so pointy they would make the Og sick. No disrespect to Florian mind you I understand he was a natural lw fighting middleweights. Most Dutch mauy Thai has banned elbows and pride banned elbows. Do you think that elbows should be completely banned from mma, why or why not. Phone Post

I think you should be banned for a being a bitch.

Lloyd Christjmitch - I think you should be banned for a being a bitch.


anyone bringing up the subject of banning any other attacks in mma deserves to be banned.

go watch golf, you fucking pussy.

I just wanted an intelligent debate on a real problem in mma Phone Post

How many good fights have you seen stopped by a cut? Ive seen to many to count Phone Post

thatwhitekid - How many good fights have you seen stopped by a cut? Ive seen to many to count Phone Post
I think it would help your thread if you listed the fights that were stopped due to cuts from elbows. Phone Post

Lloyd Christjmitch - I think you should be banned for a being a bitch.
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MahatmaPetey - 
thatwhitekid - How many good fights have you seen stopped by a cut? Ive seen to many to count
I think it would help your thread if you listed the fights that were stopped due to cuts from elbows.


still waiting....

They should just take it to the scorecards on a cut. Not automatically award the fight to the person doing the cut. Doesn't boxing have a rule that takes it to the scorecards on a cut? Phone Post

Oh and in other news.... cut. Phone Post

mikerobmma - They should just take it to the scorecards on a cut. Not automatically award the fight to the person doing the cut. Doesn't boxing have a rule that takes it to the scorecards on a cut? Phone Post
If the cut is due to a headbutt, yeah. Phone Post

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Citizen - 
Lloyd Christjmitch - I think you should be banned for a being a bitch.








You can get cut by a punch. They should ban punches. Phone Post

MMAxNate -
MahatmaPetey - 
thatwhitekid - How many good fights have you seen stopped by a cut? Ive seen to many to count
I think it would help your thread if you listed the fights that were stopped due to cuts from elbows.


still waiting....

I could be mistaken but wasn't fedors first 'loss' from an illegal elbow? I don't agree with OP and think 12-6 elbows should be added as well Phone Post

mje364 - 
MMAxNate -
MahatmaPetey - 
thatwhitekid - How many good fights have you seen stopped by a cut? Ive seen to many to count
I think it would help your thread if you listed the fights that were stopped due to cuts from elbows.


still waiting....

I could be mistaken but wasn't fedors first 'loss' from an illegal elbow? I don't agree with OP and think 12-6 elbows should be added as well Phone Post


with regards to the fedor thing: elbows were illegal in the tournament. But the cut inflicted on fedor from the illegal elbow was so bad he couldn't have moved on (it was a one night tourney). They needed someone for the next round so declared fedors opponent the winner when really it was a no contest.

if you watched tuf one Florian beat Chris Leben almost entirely on having elbows so pointy they would make the Og sick. Phone Post


 Kenny Florian's elbows are not effective because they are pointy. That is like saying Mike Tyson hits hard because his hands are big.

The Hellbows are effective because Florian has excellent technique.

I have watched, more so in grappling that in MMA, that as new techniques are introduced, they are super dangerous, and then people learn them.

In the 90s, Heel Hooks were destroying people. Then people learned to defend, and now they are no more special than anything else. I remember the Arm In Guillotine coming into the sport maybe eight years ago or so. I was reffing one of Burton Richardson's guy, and didn't even one point for a submission attempt for what looked like a front headlock to me, and the opponent went to sleep. Now, like the Guillotine before it, the basic defense is widely known. I had a run of at least three guys having their elbow popped out from the standing guilltone, but have not had that happen in many years now.

Same thing will happen with elbows, and no one need worry much then.

Diego got stopped on a head kick against BJ, Vitor gave Eastman a vagina on his head via a knee , perhaps we should ban those as well ?? Phone Post

Kirik -
if you watched tuf one Florian beat Chris Leben almost entirely on having elbows so pointy they would make the Og sick. Phone Post


 Kenny Florian's elbows are not effective because they are pointy. That is like saying Mike Tyson hits hard because his hands are big.

The Hellbows are effective because Florian has excellent technique.

I have watched, more so in grappling that in MMA, that as new techniques are introduced, they are super dangerous, and then people learn them.

In the 90s, Heel Hooks were destroying people. Then people learned to defend, and now they are no more special than anything else. I remember the Arm In Guillotine coming into the sport maybe eight years ago or so. I was reffing one of Burton Richardson's guy, and didn't even one point for a submission attempt for what looked like a front headlock to me, and the opponent went to sleep. Now, like the Guillotine before it, the basic defense is widely known. I had a run of at least three guys having their elbow popped out from the standing guilltone, but have not had that happen in many years now.

Same thing will happen with elbows, and no one need worry much then.

I see your point but I was trying to say Kenny's elbows are pointy and they seem to cut very well. Also other fighters throw vicious elbows but don't leave gashes such as Florians Phone Post