Khabib will be the GOAT Lightweight

[Jimmy_Rustler]

Neil McCauley - 

Jimmy Rustler - 

Neil McCauley - If he was american people who call him a boring lay n pray artist?

Theres a difference. Lay n pray is thrown areound too often.

 

Jon Fitch = lay n pray (takedown + sit in guard)

Khabib Nurmagomedov = exciting takedown specialist (throws, slams, carries + vicious ground and pound, repeat)

john fitch's GNP vs BJ Penn and Eric Silva was more ferocious than anything khabibs done.

Uhhh go watch the Pat Healy fight... look at how Khabib strikes then transitions into a power double, then immediately startings going wild with ground and pound, causing Healy to cover up.. and once Healy got back to his feet, Khabib would just grab him and slam him again. He does this with almost everyone, and he did this several times in the Healy fight

 

just watch that highlight video at the beginning of the thread.. ull see some vicious GNP.

not to mention this

 

 

 

and by the way the only people I would say have "ferocious" GNP were Prime Fedor and Brock Lesnar

[Just_Scrap]

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[Oontyex]

Jimmy Rustler -

Neil McCauley - If he was american people who call him a boring lay n pray artist?

Theres a difference. Lay n pray is thrown areound too often.

 

Jon Fitch = lay n pray (takedown + sit in guard)

Khabib Nurmagomedov = exciting takedown specialist (throws, slams, carries + vicious ground and pound, repeat)

What excites you about the fight transitioning from standing to the ground if the guy accomplishes a minimal amount after the transition? Seems like he's confused as to whether he wants to fight standing or fight on the ground and as a result he runs out the clock doing neither by spamming the transitions in between.

[Jimmy_Rustler]

Oontyex - 

Jimmy Rustler -

Neil McCauley - If he was american people who call him a boring lay n pray artist?

Theres a difference. Lay n pray is thrown areound too often.

 

Jon Fitch = lay n pray (takedown + sit in guard)

Khabib Nurmagomedov = exciting takedown specialist (throws, slams, carries + vicious ground and pound, repeat)

What excites you about the fight transitioning from standing to the ground if the guy accomplishes a minimal amount after the transition? Seems like he's confused as to whether he wants to fight standing or fight on the ground and as a result he runs out the clock doing neither by spamming the transitions in between.

Uhh maybe because these are high level guys

and to see someone ragdoll high level UFC fighters is not something u see everyday. its rare to see the takedowns Khabib pulls off and in the vicious manner he pulls them off and how easily he does it

 

its not only a show of extreme skill, but also its just crazy to see... i mean come on, everyone loves slams and throws... the crowd goes wild on every one of Khabib's slams because theyre so badass.

 

Khabibs style is to ragdoll you... punch u in the face over and over real quick until u stand up, and then ragdoll u again and repeat... thats why he is able to get so many takedowns

 

and if ur Khabibs opponent, and someone is manhandling u against ur will like that, its a huge confidence killer and it takes a lot out of u and makes u feel helpless and hopeless... Look at the Trujilo fight... after like the 10th slam/throw.. Trujilo just like stopped defending takedowns and just took it because he knew he was helpless.. and Khabbib threw him like 10 or 15 more times, setting a UFC record..

 

U cant say this is not entertaining:

 

 

 

and u cant say this isnt beautiful, especially against a black belt grappler like RDA:

..

 

 

 

its a showcase of talent. u pull that type of stuff off on rookies.. Khabib is pulling it off on top 10 guys in the world with ease, goes to show how high level his wrestling and sambo is.. that is why he is the Russian National Champ in Freestyle Wrestling and that is why he is a 2  time world champ in Combat Sambo..

[Schifty]

I don't know about goat but you aren't alone in thinking this. Decent amount of my friends think he'll be champ as well. He's a menace. He looks all tired and strange when he's in there and just unleashes flurry after takedown after flurry. I think he's maybe fighting cowboy next? If i recall, at least they twiiter agreed haha.

[Oontyex]

Jimmy Rustler -

Oontyex - 

Jimmy Rustler -

Neil McCauley - If he was american people who call him a boring lay n pray artist?

Theres a difference. Lay n pray is thrown areound too often.

 

Jon Fitch = lay n pray (takedown + sit in guard)

Khabib Nurmagomedov = exciting takedown specialist (throws, slams, carries + vicious ground and pound, repeat)

What excites you about the fight transitioning from standing to the ground if the guy accomplishes a minimal amount after the transition? Seems like he's confused as to whether he wants to fight standing or fight on the ground and as a result he runs out the clock doing neither by spamming the transitions in between.

Uhh maybe because these are high level guys

and to see someone ragdoll high level UFC fighters is not something u see everyday. its rare to see the takedowns Khabib pulls off and in the vicious manner he pulls them off and how easily he does it

 

its not only a show of extreme skill, but also its just crazy to see... i mean come on, everyone loves slams and throws... the crowd goes wild on every one of Khabib's slams because theyre so badass.

 

Khabibs style is to ragdoll you... punch u in the face over and over real quick until u stand up, and then ragdoll u again and repeat... thats why he is able to get so many takedowns

 

and if ur Khabibs opponent, and someone is manhandling u against ur will like that, its a huge confidence killer and it takes a lot out of u and makes u feel helpless and hopeless... Look at the Trujilo fight... after like the 10th slam/throw.. Trujilo just like stopped defending takedowns and just took it because he knew he was helpless.. and Khabbib threw him like 10 or 15 more times, setting a UFC record..

 

U cant say this is not entertaining:

 

 

 

and u cant say this isnt beautiful, especially against a black belt grappler like RDA:

..

 

 

 

its a showcase of talent. u pull that type of stuff off on rookies.. Khabib is pulling it off on top 10 guys in the world with ease, goes to show how high level his wrestling and sambo is.. that is why he is the Russian National Champ in Freestyle Wrestling and that is why he is a 2  time world champ in Combat Sambo..

Nope
I'm excited with what is actually accomplished with the transition
Congrats you took it to the ground...now what? Not much is the answer when this guy does it

Watch wrestling if you are happy to see a sport that ends prematurely and is all about transitions and no damage or threats of subs

[Jimmy_Rustler]

Oontyex - 

Jimmy Rustler -

Oontyex - 

Jimmy Rustler -

Neil McCauley - If he was american people who call him a boring lay n pray artist?

Theres a difference. Lay n pray is thrown areound too often.

 

Jon Fitch = lay n pray (takedown + sit in guard)

Khabib Nurmagomedov = exciting takedown specialist (throws, slams, carries + vicious ground and pound, repeat)

What excites you about the fight transitioning from standing to the ground if the guy accomplishes a minimal amount after the transition? Seems like he's confused as to whether he wants to fight standing or fight on the ground and as a result he runs out the clock doing neither by spamming the transitions in between.

Uhh maybe because these are high level guys

and to see someone ragdoll high level UFC fighters is not something u see everyday. its rare to see the takedowns Khabib pulls off and in the vicious manner he pulls them off and how easily he does it

 

its not only a show of extreme skill, but also its just crazy to see... i mean come on, everyone loves slams and throws... the crowd goes wild on every one of Khabib's slams because theyre so badass.

 

Khabibs style is to ragdoll you... punch u in the face over and over real quick until u stand up, and then ragdoll u again and repeat... thats why he is able to get so many takedowns

 

and if ur Khabibs opponent, and someone is manhandling u against ur will like that, its a huge confidence killer and it takes a lot out of u and makes u feel helpless and hopeless... Look at the Trujilo fight... after like the 10th slam/throw.. Trujilo just like stopped defending takedowns and just took it because he knew he was helpless.. and Khabbib threw him like 10 or 15 more times, setting a UFC record..

 

U cant say this is not entertaining:

 

 

 

and u cant say this isnt beautiful, especially against a black belt grappler like RDA:

..

 

 

 

its a showcase of talent. u pull that type of stuff off on rookies.. Khabib is pulling it off on top 10 guys in the world with ease, goes to show how high level his wrestling and sambo is.. that is why he is the Russian National Champ in Freestyle Wrestling and that is why he is a 2  time world champ in Combat Sambo..

Nope
I'm excited with what is actually accomplished with the transition
Congrats you took it to the ground...now what? Not much is the answer when this guy does it

Watch wrestling if you are happy to see a sport that ends prematurely and is all about transitions and no damage or threats of subs

Did u watch the RDA fight? Khabib passed his guard 6 times on the ground, and RDA is a very skilled black belt.

 

The way he bulldozed Healy into the fence and power doubled him, then Healy tried to get up, and Khabib pressed his shoulder into Healy and Healy was basically stuck against the cage, half way standing and half way sitting.. and while there Khabib threw like 8 or 9 clean vicious punches to Healy's face and u just see Healys head bounce back and forth against the cage

[Wasa-B]

I think Khabib needs to polish his distance closing and his ground game a bit to be a more rounded threat at the elite level. He's a better wrestler than Gil but i think the way he comes in wild will get him picked off by Pettis (not that that means you're not good though). Khabib Cowboy, Alvarez, Bendo, etc are all great fights.

[Oontyex]

Jimmy Rustler -

Oontyex - 

Jimmy Rustler -

Oontyex - 

Jimmy Rustler -

Neil McCauley - If he was american people who call him a boring lay n pray artist?

Theres a difference. Lay n pray is thrown areound too often.

 

Jon Fitch = lay n pray (takedown + sit in guard)

Khabib Nurmagomedov = exciting takedown specialist (throws, slams, carries + vicious ground and pound, repeat)

What excites you about the fight transitioning from standing to the ground if the guy accomplishes a minimal amount after the transition? Seems like he's confused as to whether he wants to fight standing or fight on the ground and as a result he runs out the clock doing neither by spamming the transitions in between.

Uhh maybe because these are high level guys

and to see someone ragdoll high level UFC fighters is not something u see everyday. its rare to see the takedowns Khabib pulls off and in the vicious manner he pulls them off and how easily he does it

 

its not only a show of extreme skill, but also its just crazy to see... i mean come on, everyone loves slams and throws... the crowd goes wild on every one of Khabib's slams because theyre so badass.

 

Khabibs style is to ragdoll you... punch u in the face over and over real quick until u stand up, and then ragdoll u again and repeat... thats why he is able to get so many takedowns

 

and if ur Khabibs opponent, and someone is manhandling u against ur will like that, its a huge confidence killer and it takes a lot out of u and makes u feel helpless and hopeless... Look at the Trujilo fight... after like the 10th slam/throw.. Trujilo just like stopped defending takedowns and just took it because he knew he was helpless.. and Khabbib threw him like 10 or 15 more times, setting a UFC record..

 

U cant say this is not entertaining:

 

 

 

and u cant say this isnt beautiful, especially against a black belt grappler like RDA:

..

 

 

 

its a showcase of talent. u pull that type of stuff off on rookies.. Khabib is pulling it off on top 10 guys in the world with ease, goes to show how high level his wrestling and sambo is.. that is why he is the Russian National Champ in Freestyle Wrestling and that is why he is a 2  time world champ in Combat Sambo..

Nope
I'm excited with what is actually accomplished with the transition
Congrats you took it to the ground...now what? Not much is the answer when this guy does it

Watch wrestling if you are happy to see a sport that ends prematurely and is all about transitions and no damage or threats of subs

Did u watch the RDA fight? Khabib passed his guard 6 times on the ground, and RDA is a very skilled black belt.

 

The way he bulldozed Healy into the fence and power doubled him, then Healy tried to get up, and Khabib pressed his shoulder into Healy and Healy was basically stuck against the cage, half way standing and half way sitting.. and while there Khabib threw like 8 or 9 clean vicious punches to Healy's face and u just see Healys head bounce back and forth against the cage

'He made someone stuck'
Doesn't sound like typical wrestler stalling at all /s

[BJJPhenom1]

Im confused by your logic. If Pettis wants to fight the best he should wait until he heals? That makes no sense. Will he no longer be the best once he heals? Couldnt Pettis just fight him then while taking another fight before that fight?

Someone needs to inform you that Khabib is fighting Cerrone next anyways. The last thing the UFC wants is a pure grappler that doesnt speak english as Champion.

Stop saying Pettis turned down the fight. Khabib crashed his post fight presser and Pettis said lets do it. You must have forgot that he goes against a much bigger Ben Askren everyday.

Pettis ground game is underrated because of the Guida fight, but if you watch the fight instead of trying to get up he went for sub after sub. Guida said after the fight it was the trickiest guard hes ever been against.

Then he tapped Henderson as a blue belt and Melendez as a purple. Hes a brown now but its complicated because his team swicthed bjj coaches alot. I know because my bjj coach was Anthonys before he left to open his own gym.

Theres always going to be fan boys but this is extreme saying the champ should wait to fight. If Khahbib is the best then he will keep winning and get his shot.

I think hed have a chance in a 3 round fight but no chance in a 5 round fight vs Pettis. Theres just no chance he could go 5 rounds without getting ktfo with his amateurish level of striking.

[Jimmy_Rustler]

BJJPhenom1 - Im confused by your logic. If Pettis wants to fight the best he should wait until he heals? That makes no sense. Will he no longer be the best once he heals? Couldnt Pettis just fight him then while taking another fight before that fight?

Someone needs to inform you that Khabib is fighting Cerrone next anyways. The last thing the UFC wants is a pure grappler that doesnt speak english as Champion.

Stop saying Pettis turned down the fight. Khabib crashed his post fight presser and Pettis said lets do it. You must have forgot that he goes against a much bigger Ben Askren everyday.

Pettis ground game is underrated because of the Guida fight, but if you watch the fight instead of trying to get up he went for sub after sub. Guida said after the fight it was the trickiest guard hes ever been against.

Then he tapped Henderson as a blue belt and Melendez as a purple. Hes a brown now but its complicated because his team swicthed bjj coaches alot. I know because my bjj coach was Anthonys before he left to open his own gym.

Theres always going to be fan boys but this is extreme saying the champ should wait to fight. If Khahbib is the best then he will keep winning and get his shot.

I think hed have a chance in a 3 round fight but no chance in a 5 round fight vs Pettis. Theres just no chance he could go 5 rounds without getting ktfo with his amateurish level of striking.

 

Amateurish? Come on, look at the gifs I posted... His striking is underrated, hes dropped many of his opponents and has like 9 KOs under his record... he outstruck RDA  (97 to 56), and RDA just kod Bendo..

Pettis could have waited 6 extra weeks for Khabib... more time to train, why not?

 

 

When Melendez had Pettis against the cage it was a bit troublesome for Pettis... but Khabib is on a whole different level when it comes to grappling.

Khabib is much better at submissions than Benson and Melendez... Melendez only has 1 sub his entire career, Benson just got his black belt and was losing brown belt tournaments before that...

Khabib was winning black belt BJJ tournaments years ago and was passing the guard of RDA with ease several times, and RDA is a very skilled black belt with a lot of submission wins.

Submission defense comes with it too. Khabib is just a much more skilled grappler than anyone in the entire division, he sets the bar extremely high and Pettis has improved, but his improvement is not gonna stop Khabib. When it comes to grappling, Khabib is not Melendez or Bendo, he is much better than them and is a nightmare for Pettis.

If Khabib had Pettis against the cage like Melendez did, Pettis would be on his back, no doubt about it.  I am confident that once Khabib gets his hands on Pettis, Pettis will go down... and with each takedown, Pettis's ability to strike will get less and less and less. Wrestling with Khabib is exhausting... and a knockout in round 4 or 5 will be unlikely because they are rare, especially if youve been grappling for 3 rounds straight.

I just cant see Pettis beating him... the only chance I can see Pettis winning is in the very first round when hes fresh before Khabib manages to close the distance or get a hold of Pettis. Once Khabib does that, itll be all downhill for Pettis.

 

 

Like Joe Rogan said... Khabib is not just easily the best grappler/wrestler in the LW division, but he may even be the best wrestler in MMA. The guy is the only 155lber who wrestles with Daniel Cormier and Cain Velasquez on a regular basis because he is that good.

[NyTerp3]

Great shares on the gifs. No matter where you stand on who is better between the two, there is little doubt that Pettis and Khabib are generational talents. Add to that they bring completely unique skills sets to the table. Assuming they each get past their next fight, that matchup deserves DC-Jones level attention, which it just won't get.

[14er]

Remember that one time Tibeau out wreslted Khabib? Tibeau stuffed every one of this takedowns while taking "the great wreslter" down twice. Khabib spent no time on top in that match. Imo and the opinion of many others, he lost that fight and there is no way u can logically argue that he wasn't outwrestled. This match wasn't that long ago either.

[NickDiazsSpinningBackfist]

Jimmy Rustler -

Neil McCauley - If he was american people who call him a boring lay n pray artist?

Theres a difference. Lay n pray is thrown areound too often.

 

Jon Fitch = lay n pray (takedown + sit in guard)

Khabib Nurmagomedov = exciting takedown specialist (throws, slams, carries + vicious ground and pound, repeat)

Pettis beat him

[Jimmy_Rustler]

14er - Remember that one time Tibeau out wreslted Khabib? Tibeau stuffed every one of this takedowns while taking "the great wreslter" down twice. Khabib spent no time on top in that match. Imo and the opinion of many others, he lost that fight and there is no way u can logically argue that he wasn't outwrestled. This match wasn't that long ago either.

Remember when Guida beat Pettis?

 

Tibau is a monster and has some of the best TDD... and since that fight, Khabib went to AKA and has gotten much better.

[jmont]

Pettis will be GOAT at lw imo. Khabib is definitely the toughest fight out there for him though

[TexDeuce]

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[BJJPhenom1]

Jimmy Rustler - 

BJJPhenom1 - Im confused by your logic. If Pettis wants to fight the best he should wait until he heals? That makes no sense. Will he no longer be the best once he heals? Couldnt Pettis just fight him then while taking another fight before that fight?

Someone needs to inform you that Khabib is fighting Cerrone next anyways. The last thing the UFC wants is a pure grappler that doesnt speak english as Champion.

Stop saying Pettis turned down the fight. Khabib crashed his post fight presser and Pettis said lets do it. You must have forgot that he goes against a much bigger Ben Askren everyday.

Pettis ground game is underrated because of the Guida fight, but if you watch the fight instead of trying to get up he went for sub after sub. Guida said after the fight it was the trickiest guard hes ever been against.

Then he tapped Henderson as a blue belt and Melendez as a purple. Hes a brown now but its complicated because his team swicthed bjj coaches alot. I know because my bjj coach was Anthonys before he left to open his own gym.

Theres always going to be fan boys but this is extreme saying the champ should wait to fight. If Khahbib is the best then he will keep winning and get his shot.

I think hed have a chance in a 3 round fight but no chance in a 5 round fight vs Pettis. Theres just no chance he could go 5 rounds without getting ktfo with his amateurish level of striking.

 

Amateurish? Come on, look at the gifs I posted... His striking is underrated, hes dropped many of his opponents and has like 9 KOs under his record... he outstruck RDA  (97 to 56), and RDA just kod Bendo..

Pettis could have waited 6 extra weeks for Khabib... more time to train, why not?

 

 

When Melendez had Pettis against the cage it was a bit troublesome for Pettis... but Khabib is on a whole different level when it comes to grappling.

Khabib is much better at submissions than Benson and Melendez... Melendez only has 1 sub his entire career, Benson just got his black belt and was losing brown belt tournaments before that...

Khabib was winning black belt BJJ tournaments years ago and was passing the guard of RDA with ease several times, and RDA is a very skilled black belt with a lot of submission wins.

Submission defense comes with it too. Khabib is just a much more skilled grappler than anyone in the entire division, he sets the bar extremely high and Pettis has improved, but his improvement is not gonna stop Khabib. When it comes to grappling, Khabib is not Melendez or Bendo, he is much better than them and is a nightmare for Pettis.

If Khabib had Pettis against the cage like Melendez did, Pettis would be on his back, no doubt about it.  I am confident that once Khabib gets his hands on Pettis, Pettis will go down... and with each takedown, Pettis's ability to strike will get less and less and less. Wrestling with Khabib is exhausting... and a knockout in round 4 or 5 will be unlikely because they are rare, especially if youve been grappling for 3 rounds straight.

I just cant see Pettis beating him... the only chance I can see Pettis winning is in the very first round when hes fresh before Khabib manages to close the distance or get a hold of Pettis. Once Khabib does that, itll be all downhill for Pettis.

 

 

Like Joe Rogan said... Khabib is not just easily the best grappler/wrestler in the LW division, but he may even be the best wrestler in MMA. The guy is the only 155lber who wrestles with Daniel Cormier and Cain Velasquez on a regular basis because he is that good.

First Benson was a Black Belt when Anthony tapped him. Second Pettis had to worry about Melendez hands and takedowns. Khabib is completely 1 dimensional.

People dont want to give Pettis his props but hes never been beat up. Hes never been hurt or rocked. He tapped 2 guys that are almost untappable. He made Cerrone look like he was fighting a 12 year old.

Hes the real deal. He trains his ass off. Its public knowledge that Rufussport fighters dont tap. Watch the Danny Downes vs Jim Miller I believe.

Khabib has to try and point fuck him. Thats his only chance to win. Hold him down like he did to Dos Anjos. Its horrible to watch and wont sell fights. I wouldnt be suprised if he never gets a title shot just because hes just a wrestler and wrestlers dont sell ppvs.

[BJJPhenom1]

jmont - Pettis will be GOAT at lw imo. Khabib is definitely the toughest fight out there for him though

I think Barbosa is by far is toughest fight and will almost be a super fight. People will want to see that fight. No one wants to see Khabib fight anyone unless their Russian.

[14er]

Jimmy Rustler - 

14er - Remember that one time Tibeau out wreslted Khabib? Tibeau stuffed every one of this takedowns while taking "the great wreslter" down twice. Khabib spent no time on top in that match. Imo and the opinion of many others, he lost that fight and there is no way u can logically argue that he wasn't outwrestled. This match wasn't that long ago either.

Remember when Guida beat Pettis?

 

Tibau is a monster and has some of the best TDD... and since that fight, Khabib went to AKA and has gotten much better.

Yes but this thread u made isn't about Pettis. I agree with his improvement though...regarding the fight I think khabib can win but no way he can stand with him. Khabib most likely had one way to win: takedown and lay. Pettis can win by ko, slowly wearing him down with body shots as he did Gil and man that didn't even take to long and also by sub. Pettis has shown by subbing two former champions that had been finished 1 or 2 times combined that he is a force if someone opens up on top. Imo too many ways for Pettis to win but I do think khabib has a shot with his wrestling. Askren should take him to a college in wi or Missouri for a good month and he should just work on wresltomg bc the only way I really see him losing is if he gets taken down over and over.