Both pioneers and imo two of the best under 140lbs ever
Yeah, this is even later than Randy/Nog, Wand/Chuck. Menjivar is probably in better shape than Kid though. Kid should retire imo. He's really lost it imo.
RearNakedToke - Trying out for the Japanese wrestling team killed KID's career. The time off, arm injury, and major knee injury he went through added quite a few miles to his body. He can't explode like he used to with one leg.
That and the whole stardom thing, family drama, split with Enson, falling in love with his hands, losing any sense of the ground/submission aspect (see his guard vs Joe Warren). He is like Randleman imo, a crazy physical talent that could not put it together. Vitor seems to be finally coming into his own now.