I'm tired of people listing leadership as a skill.
It's a bullshit catchword politicians, athletes, and mid level managers use to appear more valuable. 
way to justify lacking the skills for leadership?
You bored?
Leadership is definitely a skill, taking unmotivated workers and making them excel is a very detailed and consistent process. 
Bolt Vanderhuge - Leadership is definitely a skill, taking unmotivated workers and making them excel is a very detailed and consistent process.This.
Can you take a mixed Crew of 8-10 people with different languages, education, work experience, social skills and get them to accomplish a day and a half worth of work in less than a day on a regular basis without drama OP?
Are you saying you're like a motivational speaker type of a guy?
Michael Scott, now that guy was a leader.
https://www.amazon.com/Platoon-Leader-Memoir-Command-Combat/dp/0891418008#
Fuckin' leadership for real right there
LinkedIn has driven an absolutely insane culture of made-up job titles, role inflation, and genral bullshit.
Leadership is absolutely a skill - really, one of the most challenging and rewarding arts. But when every half-assed lower middle manager lists it on their profile, it becomes a meaningless label. You can usually tell real leades because it shows through in actual accomplishment.
^^ f**king typos but you get the point
As soon as the zombie apocalypse happens tf1 is going to be looking at me..and I'm going to be like: sorry you posted in your thread it's not a skill.. and as society melts away he's going to be looking at my crying and I'm just going to have to shake my head.
Zoot - ^^ f**king typos but you get the pointReal leaders don't make typos.
da Vinci 81 -Zoot - ^^ f**king typos but you get the pointReal leaders don't make typos.
Hahahaha
Captain Epic - As soon as the zombie apocalypse happens tf1 is going to be looking at me..and I'm going to be like: sorry you posted in your thread it's not a skill.. and as society melts away he's going to be looking at my crying and I'm just going to have to shake my head.Lol
Leadership is the real estate agent of "skills".
What you really want is a coach - someone who understands the work, has probably done the work, and can help you do it better, etc.
To build on the zombie apoccalypse analogy - if you're standing on top of a burned out Datsun shouting, "Hey listen to me I'm a leader..." you'll be the first to go. If you have real demonstratable survivual skills, people will follow you.
I chuckle everytime someone says they're right for the job because they are a leader...
tf1 -Leadership is the real estate agent of "skills".
What you really want is a coach - someone who understands the work, has probably done the work, and can help you do it better, etc.
To build on the zombie apoccalypse analogy - if you're standing on top of a burned out Datsun shouting, "Hey listen to me I'm a leader..." you'll be the first to go. If you have real demonstratable survivual skills, people will follow you.
I chuckle everytime someone says they're right for the job because they are a leader...
Your premise is that all jobs are the same?
If you are a tradesman, salesman, etc. I can see your point.
But what about management positions that depend on building and guiding teams under them?
TheMMAn -tf1 -Leadership is the real estate agent of "skills".
What you really want is a coach - someone who understands the work, has probably done the work, and can help you do it better, etc.
To build on the zombie apoccalypse analogy - if you're standing on top of a burned out Datsun shouting, "Hey listen to me I'm a leader..." you'll be the first to go. If you have real demonstratable survivual skills, people will follow you.
I chuckle everytime someone says they're right for the job because they are a leader...
Your premise is that all jobs are the same?
If you are a tradesman, salesman, etc. I can see your point.
But what about management positions that depend on building and guiding teams under them?
You're talking about management not leadership. Management can be taught via a book.
tf1 -TheMMAn -tf1 -Leadership is the real estate agent of "skills".
What you really want is a coach - someone who understands the work, has probably done the work, and can help you do it better, etc.
To build on the zombie apoccalypse analogy - if you're standing on top of a burned out Datsun shouting, "Hey listen to me I'm a leader..." you'll be the first to go. If you have real demonstratable survivual skills, people will follow you.
I chuckle everytime someone says they're right for the job because they are a leader...
Your premise is that all jobs are the same?
If you are a tradesman, salesman, etc. I can see your point.
But what about management positions that depend on building and guiding teams under them?
You're talking about management not leadership. Management can be taught via a book.
We're getting to semantics territory here, but let's try this anyways.
Typically accepted components of manage involve planning, organizing, a focus on systems and structures, and coordination (among others things). Leadership is usually about the other core components that are usually lumped in with teaching management. These components include things like innovation, inspiration, challenging the status quo, etc,
It boils down things like charisma (as opposed to formal authoirty) and integrity that are pretty hard to teach in books. Mangers typicall focus on managing work, whereas leaders tend to focus on leading people (and having them unthusiastically follow).
You can obtain the skills necessary to become an accetpatable manager. But, imo, there are skillsets and focses that increase the effectiveness of that manager.
TheMMAn -So it's not leadership per se - it's motivational speaker type stuff.tf1 -TheMMAn -tf1 -Leadership is the real estate agent of "skills".
What you really want is a coach - someone who understands the work, has probably done the work, and can help you do it better, etc.
To build on the zombie apoccalypse analogy - if you're standing on top of a burned out Datsun shouting, "Hey listen to me I'm a leader..." you'll be the first to go. If you have real demonstratable survivual skills, people will follow you.
I chuckle everytime someone says they're right for the job because they are a leader...
Your premise is that all jobs are the same?
If you are a tradesman, salesman, etc. I can see your point.
But what about management positions that depend on building and guiding teams under them?
You're talking about management not leadership. Management can be taught via a book.
We're getting to semantics territory here, but let's try this anyways.
Typically accepted components of manage involve planning, organizing, a focus on systems and structures, and coordination (among others things). Leadership is usually about the other core components that are usually lumped in with teaching management. These components include things like innovation, inspiration, challenging the status quo, etc,
It boils down things like charisma (as opposed to formal authoirty) and integrity that are pretty hard to teach in books. Mangers typicall focus on managing work, whereas leaders tend to focus on leading people (and having them unthusiastically follow).
You can obtain the skills necessary to become an accetpatable manager. But, imo, there are skillsets and focses that increase the effectiveness of that manager.
Leadership is definitely a skill/trait in itself.
The problem is that everyone who has ever led people thinks that it's a skill they posses. Most of them fucking suck at it.