Let's hope Marquez passes a post fight drug test.

if you're not juicing, you're not going to make it in the fight game. Phone Post

Until he fails a test or there is proof....

To say he juiced is disrespecting a great boxer who has handled himself In and out if the ring. Phone Post

if you're not juicing, you're not going to make it in the fight game. Phone Post

Here is the thing, everyone who says Pac juiced either never fought Pac or fought him one time and couldn't believe how strong he was. Pac went 36 rounds with JMM and barely was phased by any of his punches, out of the blue it looks like he is fighting prime Tyson? It just doesn't add up

Strykr619 - 
Chareth Cutestory - 
Reed Rothchild - 
aarick161 - Heredia is a chemist. The stuff Marquez took won't be detectable.

Yup JMM body has changed Phone Post


No it hasn't. Marquez looks the same as the last time he fought Paquiao.

Fight 3:

http://photos.lasvegassun.com/media/img/photos/2011/11/11/m2-40_t653.jpg?214bc4f9d9bd7c08c7d0f6599bb3328710e01e7b

Fight 4:

http://ae9d682b4e76e4aa2c9e-46e19a93db4ddcf82c5ae5a18539735b.r75.cf1.rackcdn.com/02pacman-marquez998.jpg


Um Marquez hired the Rat for the 3rd fight, and no Marquez is bigger.


Didn't he get him right before camp in his 3rd fight? I think that was a mini science project compared to what he pulled off last night

wreckker - 

Until he fails a test or there is proof....

To say he juiced is disrespecting a great boxer who has handled himself In and out if the ring. Phone Post


Totally agree jmm has always been a great boxer doubt he would use juice to ruin this fight knowing its close to the end of his career or is the end he said this is the most important win of his career

rioz17 - 
wreckker - 

Until he fails a test or there is proof....

To say he juiced is disrespecting a great boxer who has handled himself In and out if the ring. Phone Post


Totally agree jmm has always been a great boxer doubt he would use juice to ruin this fight knowing its close to the end of his career or is the end he said this is the most important win of his career

Actually that is backwards logic. He has nothing to lose if it is the end of his career and would make him more likely to juice. If he gets suspended he probably would be fine with retiring

Drugs can't teach Marquez's technique and brain. Both of them were probably on stuff anyway. Phone Post

This thread is disrespectful to JMM. I am a huge Pac fan, but he got KO'ed. I fear Pac is going to start suffering from Roy Jones syndrome. Phone Post

Strykr619 - 
Frank Gallagher - 
in_different - Lets be fucking honest. Great knockout but we know Marquez was juiced. 100% no doubt. Anybody that tell you otherwise has an agenda or is misinformed
So you think pac was juiced? <img alt="Phone Post" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></blockquote>

 

Is Pac being trained  S&C wise by someone who was convicted of selling PED's and his primary job was to help his clients DEFEAT testing, and the only reason he didn't serve time is he because he became a RAT?

 


Its obvious Marq is on something. 39 years old and making Pac look like a midget?


You might be right... If you watch the first & second fights, wasn't Pac the bigger built man?

"PED's...If done right & cycled right, NO CAN DEFEND!!!"
- Mr Miyagi

OSUkinkledmyBEAVERhole - Fuck that juiced cheater!!!

Should be a no contest!!

I agree with the whole "fuck that juiced cheater" sentiment. in fact, it should be a song. a sports anthem imo. but would you still think it shouls be an NC if both boxers were juiced to the gills???

ILoveWatchingJonesBoneShogun -
rioz17 - 
wreckker -  Until he fails a test or there is proof....

To say he juiced is disrespecting a great boxer who has handled himself In and out if the ring. Phone Post

Totally agree jmm has always been a great boxer doubt he would use juice to ruin this fight knowing its close to the end of his career or is the end he said this is the most important win of his career

Actually that is backwards logic. He has nothing to lose if it is the end of his career and would make him more likely to juice. If he gets suspended he probably would be fine with retiring

Nothing to lose?

He has been boxing since he was 8.

How about his pride and honor?

Fighting is hard, JMM has acted like a martial artist in boxing, his legacy and pride is very important to him.

Many Fans just think most fighters will juice or juice strictly to make more money. Some fighters will do just that.

To others it is cheating and they just won't do it.

JMM deserves to be thought of as a honest clean fighter IMO.

What I think happened is he added current smart exercises to make him stronger and more explosive. Plyometrics, weights, core work.

Many Mexican and other trainers havnt don't that with boxers.

JMM was very focused determined and prepared. Phone Post

I'm told that if you aren't juicing you will not make it in the fight game.

Chareth Cutestory -
Reed Rothchild - 
aarick161 - Heredia is a chemist. The stuff Marquez took won't be detectable.

Yup JMM body has changed Phone Post


No it hasn't. Marquez looks the same as the last time he fought Paquiao.

Fight 3:

http://photos.lasvegassun.com/media/img/photos/2011/11/11/m2-40_t653.jpg?214bc4f9d9bd7c08c7d0f6599bb3328710e01e7b

Fight 4:

http://ae9d682b4e76e4aa2c9e-46e19a93db4ddcf82c5ae5a18539735b.r75.cf1.rackcdn.com/02pacman-marquez998.jpg

Phone Post

my fighter lost so the other guy juiced

A suspected juicer beats another suspected juicer i don't have a problem with this.

Again, morons, Marquez's camp stated they were willing to take whatever tests offered as long as Manny took them too. Pacquiao's camp shut up after that.

Marquez has always had power, although, you couldn't tell by just watching his fights with Manny. Running straight into a power punch you don't see coming = you're getting knocked out. Educate yourself.

It really is comical watching Manny fans of all people accuse other boxers of juicing after his loss, especially when the guy he lost to looks almost exactly the same as he did in their third fight.

Oh wait, Manny "won" that fight so no one complained then. You guys sound like the Pactards on NSB. Phone Post

Like I said in other posts, boxers don't fight 36 rounds and do no damage against the same guy, then at the age of 37 or whatever he is, magically turn into Mike Tyson. It just doesn't happen. This can happen with young fighters who are still growing into their body or developing their technique but no way does this happen to a seasoned old fighter. I don't care all that much that he won the fight because I thought he would probably get a decision but to assume he wasn't on steroids, especially considering who he chose to be his strength coach is just assinine.

ILoveWatchingJonesBoneShogun - Like I said in other posts, boxers don't fight 36 rounds and do no damage against the same guy, then at the age of 37 or whatever he is, magically turn into Mike Tyson. It just doesn't happen. This can happen with young fighters who are still growing into their body or developing their technique but no way does this happen to a seasoned old fighter. I don't care all that much that he won the fight because I thought he would probably get a decision but to assume he wasn't on steroids, especially considering who he chose to be his strength coach is just assinine.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Your hilarious opinion might hold some weight if the man's career consisted of ONLY those previous 36 rounds. We're talking about a boxer who's record consists of 55 wins, with 40 of those being knock outs. You combine this all with the fact that Manny literally ran into the punch and you have a not so surprising result. Phone Post