"The neatest thing about both is that Weidman kicked first to draw a kick out of Silva. Weidman is not a particularly good kicker, but both times he kicked, Silva kicked back immediately, and Weidman was able to check."
"No, freak injury implies it was simply misfortune. There was nothing accidental about Silva getting hurt. When a hard kicker kicks a knee, he hurts himself. Sometimes it's enough to finish a fight, sometimes it's just enough to stop him from kicking for a while, but kick a knee Silva did." - Jack Slack
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1904314-ufc-168-how-chris-weidman-buried-the-legend
In addition Chris had an interview in which he talked about practicing that technique and how his trainer broke another mans leg with that same technique.
Lol at you. Jack slack can (and did) post his own thread. Also you just posted this same exact thing in another thread, wich I replied to. Your missing the point. Smh... 
True and I decided to put down the troll argument of luck (X2) as Jack did in my own thread.
And I replied:
"You are directly contracting Jack & common sense. He wanted AS to kick in order to hurt him per jack. That is what occurred. Let the AS trolls continue to reel."
I've said it before, Weidman beat Andy hands down both times.
However - the whole " exactly as we planned, trained for and predicted" diatribe from him and his camp about both fairly surprising finishes is a little reachy and opportunist IMO.
That was a great article.
TTT
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Great article, Jack's the man. Thanks for posting this.
octowussy - How many times are you gonna post this?
Well I wanted a thread to put down the "luck crap".
It CAN'T be PURE luck if you're trying to hurt a guy and succeed with a technique. Your comments in the other thread are a disgrace BTW sir. Your man lost fair and square. No pure luck X2 sorry.
octowussy - What are you even talking about? First of all, holy shit, it's 2014 and people still don't understand the difference between "your" and "you're". I didn't have a dog in that fight. I like to watch Anderson Silva fight. Beyond that, I don't care. So either YOU'RE (it means YOU ARE) confusing me with another OCTOWUSSY or you're constructing a strawman. Either way, it's inaccurate. You're also putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about "pure luck".
What I will reiterate is that you don't understand the concept of "freak injury" and no amount of backup from self-professed striking guru jack Slack will change that. The DICTIONARY DEFINITION of "freak" is "very unusual".
See if you can follow: even if the intent was to injure, chances are that nobody expected a fracture of the tibia. Nobody. And seeing how this has only happened one other time in the history of the UFC (and a few more in the history of MMA itself), I would say that it doesn't get any more VERY UNUSUAL than that.
Thought I corrected the typo. Oh well.
Jack's point is simple as is mine. If you try to hurt a guy and succeed it's not a 'freak occurrence' in and of itself. After all WTF were you trying to do LOL?
Was Chris fortunate AS broke his leg? Yes
Did Chris' trainer break another guys leg doing that same technique? Yes
Freak a very unusual and unexpected event or situation.
"the teacher says the accident was a total freak"
Looking at the example one would guess "the accident" was not caused by a person trying to hurt another, correct?
octowussy -Lazer MMA -octowussy - What are you even talking about? First of all, holy shit, it's 2014 and people still don't understand the difference between "your" and "you're". I didn't have a dog in that fight. I like to watch Anderson Silva fight. Beyond that, I don't care. So either YOU'RE (it means YOU ARE) confusing me with another OCTOWUSSY or you're constructing a strawman. Either way, it's inaccurate. You're also putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about "pure luck".
What I will reiterate is that you don't understand the concept of "freak injury" and no amount of backup from self-professed striking guru jack Slack will change that. The DICTIONARY DEFINITION of "freak" is "very unusual".
See if you can follow: even if the intent was to injure, chances are that nobody expected a fracture of the tibia. Nobody. And seeing how this has only happened one other time in the history of the UFC (and a few more in the history of MMA itself), I would say that it doesn't get any more VERY UNUSUAL than that.
Thought I corrected the typo. Oh well.
Jack's point is simple as is mine. If you try to hurt a guy and succeed it's not a 'freak occurrence' in and of itself. After all WTF were you trying to do LOL?
Was Chris fortunate AS broke his leg? Yes
Did Chris' trainer break another guys leg doing that same technique? Yes
Freak a very unusual and unexpected event or situation.
"the teacher says the accident was a total freak"
Looking at the example one would guess "the accident" was not caused by a person trying to hurt another, correct?
"If you try to hurt a guy and succeed it's not a 'freak occurrence' in and of itself."
This is correct. But understand that there are 1,000 different ways in which that can play out, many of which would be considered "freak". So I'm at work, sitting in my cubicle. If I get angry at my co-worker and I throw my coffee mug at his head, obviously the intent is to hurt him. But if my coffee mug shatters on his head and a shard of it gets stuck in his eye, that is a freak accident. But my intent was to hurt him, so how can it be a freak accident? Because it's a very unusual outcome.
For you to believe that this was not a freak accident, you'd have to believe that this was not unusual. How long have you been watching MMA? Do you even watch professional muay Thai? How many checks have you seen and, more importantly, how many have you seen result in a severe fracture of the tibia?
While I'm personally not on board with the idea, if Chris's intent was to HURT Silva with a check, the fact that he hurt him is certainly NOT a freak accident. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is the fact that he fractured his tibia to the point that his foot nearly wrapped around Chris's leg is the very definition of a freak accident.
"Did Chris' trainer break another guys leg doing that same technique? Yes"
Totally irrelevant.
"Looking at the example one would guess 'the accident' was not caused by a person trying to hurt another, correct?"
The two are not mutually exclusive. You can intentionally hurt someone and still the outcome can still be a freak accident. Unless Chris Weidman's intent was to turn Anderson Silva's leg into taffy, then it was a freak accident.
The two are not correct IMO.
Nevertheless, to claim "freak accident" is just stupid IMO.
He tried to hurt AS and succeeded. He lured AS into the kick (if Jack is correct) and you concur indeed that if this was the case it was "NOT a freak accident".
Just because he got lucky enough to break the leg (as his trainer had prior too) does not change that situation into a "freak accident" because it was no "accident" he meant to hurt AS and did. We can feel free to disagree.
"If you try to hurt a guy and succeed it's not a 'freak occurrence' in and of itself"
If you try to check a kick so that your opponent feels pain and thinks twice about kicking again, but instead his leg snaps in half, that's a freak occurrence.
If some guy starts shit and you punch him in the face, and his orbital explodes and sends bone fragments into his brain, killing him instantly, that would be a freak occurrence too, even though you meant to hurt him.
Get it?
"Anderson Silva’s Broken Leg Was No Freak Accident"
"Weidman’s striking coach even has a name for his fighter’s move of thrusting a knee into an opponent’s leg kick — “The Destruction.”
Weidman himself doesn’t chalk up the injury to dumb luck. “I don’t think it was accidental when you try to check a kick and it works,” Weidman said, via the Las Vegas Sun. “If I didn’t try to check the kick, I’d have a big bruised leg right now and he’d have picked me apart with leg kicks. You try to check kicks, and that’s what happens.” "
http://keepingscore.blogs.time.com/2013/12/29/anderson-silva-leg-ufc-mma/
shout outs to Jack Slack
Weidman looked to "hurt" Anderson's shin as he read the follow up kick like a book...
The leg snapping in half was the only accident part of the equation per se and Im not sure you can even define that as an accident since again Chris was trying to hurt Anderson for kicking at him...
You all need to give Chris 100 % credit for what he did IN THE CAGE as you all watched on your couches
REDRUM_NYC -
shout outs to Jack Slack
Weidman looked to "hurt" Anderson's shin as he read the follow up kick like a book...
The leg snapping in half was the only accident part of the equation per se and Im not sure you can even define that as an accident since again Chris was trying to hurt Anderson for kicking at him...
You all need to give Chris 100 % credit for what he did IN THE CAGE as you all watched on your couches
Exactly, the technique was practiced by Chris and used with success prior by his trainer.
Chris was 'lucky' to have broken the leg but when you try to hurt someone one and succeed it's stupid to call the entire incident a "freak". It was partially planned out at least in both luring and hurting.
Chris deserves his credit.
"Weidman, who earned his belt with an upset victory in July, also dominated the first round of the rematch, pinning Silva to the mat and punishing him with blows. In the second, Weidman used his knee to stop Silva’s kick with perfect mixed martial arts technique, never anticipating the result.
“I did work on checking kicks,” Weidman said. “I figured if I (caught) him on my knee, it could really hurt him. Crazy how this happened.”"
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/12/29/ufc-168-chris-weidman-retains-middleweight-title-after-anderson-silva-breaks-leg-on-kick-attempt/
This is the best gif i saw on this BTW:
https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/8FE950641B1028949443334266880_15326011631.4.6.11682776023645105985_jeemlMsWRgEAi0WUil8XbabK0VpOIlYfp9Fe6rjQdTH4J.l1qFpg.FHKq01QL0tf.mp4?versionId=g8vunkIC_7jChzQgqyhId7AFShdx7CIr
It wasn't an accident.
It was the worst outcome of a low leg kick checked by the knee area.
CW > AS. Twice.
"a "soft" or "reflex" check. This is the method most commonly seen in MMA, on those rare instances when someone actually checks a kick. With a soft check, the knee is lifted high, and the opponent's kick impacts the lower part of the shin, just above the ankle. With this type of check, the reflex action of the knee helps to absorb the impact, and both fighters are relatively undamaged.
As a purely defensive technique this is fine, but as I said above, the true purpose of a check is to deter the opponent from kicking. Thus, the ideal check is one which incorporates one of my favorite concepts--that of "aggressive defense."
Enter the "hard" check. This technique is now being referred to as a "knee spike," but I believe that term to be a bit of a misnomer. In reality, the kneecap should make no contact with the shin of the opponent--I can personally attest to the fact that, in a battle between tibia and patella, patella loses. Painfully. Rather, the uppermost part of the shin, the thickest and strongest part of the bone, is the intended zone of contact for a hard check. When the thinner, lower shin of the opponent meets the upper shin of the defender, the result is that the opponent experiences a far greater amount of pain, and stands a chance of injuring their own shin."
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/12/30/5254898/ufc-168-anderson-silva-chris-weidman-dirty-defense-kick-check-break-shin-knee-spike-mma-technique
From that source too on the technique being "dirty"
Notably, Dave Walsh of Middle Easy and Liver Kickk had this to say on his site mmanuts.com:
"Chris Weidman drilled it all of the time and used it in training! He knew exactly what he was doing, so therefore it wasn’t a fluke injury, it was… Well, this is where things get kind of messy, right? If Weidman’s trainer calls it the "Destruction" and talks about breaking guys legs with it, Chris Weidman using it and knowing the possible outcome is a bit reckless, especially considering the outcome of the fight."
gokudamus stole my name iv - "If you try to hurt a guy and succeed it's not a 'freak occurrence' in and of itself"This, holy fucking shit op is dense. This this this.
If you try to check a kick so that your opponent feels pain and thinks twice about kicking again, but instead his leg snaps in half, that's a freak occurrence.
If some guy starts shit and you punch him in the face, and his orbital explodes and sends bone fragments into his brain, killing him instantly, that would be a freak occurrence too, even though you meant to hurt him.
Get it?
And FYI everyone irl the night of the fight was saying how bullshit that fight was and how lucky Weidman got both time blah blah blah, and many times I had to explain the skill involved in checking a leg kick and the risk in throwing a leg kick.