lol @ Anderson SIlva backlash via fickle UFC fans.

explodingboy - 
Enigmanic - CindyOwned!


Hardly.

What Anderson symbolises transcends cultural fads even as large as the UFC. The entertainment and the financial reward and the respect of thousands of fans and the P4P rankings and the naysayers are all by-products of his desire to be a true martial artist. He accepts challenges in the form of opponents thrown at him and figures the best combination to unlock them. He has done this in every single fight for the UFC, including last night. I guess there's a distinct difference between being a fan of legitimate sporting contests and being an MMA fan. I guess UFC really is catering to the pro wrestling crowd who got too old for it and moved on. Not that it surprises me in the slightest, all the signs pointed to that being UFC's core demographic. Its just a shame for those with an appreciation of the very best martial artists that they have to share them with the 'entertain me now' crowd who would be just as happy with a chiselled modern day Tank Abbott in the main event.


Exactly

He was there to win the fight and prove himself and his fans he was the better fighter. Did he not accomplish that?
Sometimes two fighters styles don't make for a very exciting match. Thales wanted to take the fight to the ground and he couldn't, it's not exactly his fault. That's what MMA it's supposed to be about, different fighters with different styles. If people don't want to watch that, there are other sports out there.

Thank you.

All I mean't by that was if I look at the other sport I follow as closely as MMA, football (soccer) for example. A team that is tactically superior to their opponents go and win a big match, despite not playing free-flowing glorious football, will still receive plaudits for being the best. All the pundits and insightful fans will be appreciative that they were the better team. It is only the 'casual' fans or fans of other teams who will start saying 'but they played so boringly' as some kind of way of demeriting their achievement.

I come on the UG and expect most posters to be more insightful fans of MMA than the casual who wants to see 'dudes fucking each other up'. I expect them to be appreciative of a peerless martial artist, I expect them to understand that some fights will require him to adopt a different strategy than others. I expect them to know its up to his opponent to try their best to make it competitive.

Its just a let-down when yourself and others are in the minority, and leads me to conclude that in the minds of most MMA fans, even the 'hardcores', the line between wanting to see a legitimate mixed martial arts contest and wanting entertainment on a Saturday night while they down beers is more blurred than I thought.

I can't articulate my point as succintly as I'd like. Basically, lots of fools.

explodingboy - Thank you.



All I mean't by that was if I look at the other sport I follow as closely as MMA, football (soccer) for example. A team that is tactically superior to their opponents go and win a big match, despite not playing free-flowing glorious football, will still receive plaudits for being the best. All the pundits and insightful fans will be appreciative that they were the better team. It is only the 'casual' fans or fans of other teams who will start saying 'but they played so boringly' as some kind of way of demeriting their achievement.



I come on the UG and expect most posters to be more insightful fans of MMA than the casual who wants to see 'dudes fucking each other up'. I expect them to be appreciative of a peerless martial artist, I expect them to understand that some fights will require him to adopt a different strategy than others. I expect them to know its up to his opponent to try their best to make it competitive.



Its just a let-down when yourself and others are in the minority, and leads me to conclude that in the minds of most MMA fans, even the 'hardcores', the line between wanting to see a legitimate mixed martial arts contest and wanting entertainment on a Saturday night while they down beers is more blurred than I thought.



I can't articulate my point as succintly as I'd like. Basically, lots of fools.
So well said and that's all it comes down to really.



Westerners (and I use that sparingly) wanting some head bashing entertainment while downing cans of brew w/o having much understanding as to what the hell is really going on. And with that, it's Dana's and the rest of the Zuffa brass' fault for perpetuating this image to make a buck.



For all of the talk of Dana being such a hardcore MMA fan and even with his tireless work in promoting the organization, his true colors materialize all too often when he "apologizes" for Silva's performance. As if Anderson failed in some way by nullifying his opponent within the fight (no, not entertainment for the drunks in the stands) instead of braining him into a concussion.



The curse of anything worthwhile becoming mainstream is what we see here. Idiotic views, everyone thinks they're an expert and watered down results.



Welcome to the UFC- As real as it gets.

 

I blame both fighters. If you're going to attack Leites for not engaging with Anderson, you also have to attack Anderson for not going to the ground with Leites. Both fighters were trying to avoid their opponent's strength, which resulted in a boring fight. I think the reason Anderson is taking so much flack is because he's hyped as a guy who can murder anyone on the feet, but he failed to put away an inferior striker last night, and was dancing when he could have been attacking.

VTFU

Dead Again - 
Ausgepicht - 
CindyO -  Yeah... I thought Silva displayed amazing striking skills when he punched Thales in the foot a few times and then snuck in a few punches to the thigh from the stand up position.  Thales didn't even see those shots coming=)



Cindy
And Thales did what?

 






crickets



The silence to this question is deafening.


 I think we all know that Thales didn't belong in the same cage as Anderson, a point underscored by his performance last night. You don't go up against the champion hoping to a) find a way to submit him or b) hope to avoid being killed. You go in balls-to-the-wall and try and put it on him and take the belt, and if you fail and are carried out on your shield, you at least leave with honor. There was no honor in defeat for Thales last night.

^wrong.

thales posed a legitimate threat, wich is why anderson was so tentative in his striking. thales was not active with his striking because anderson would counterpunch him to death. rather, he tried to frustrate silva into walking foward with his strikes, hence planting his feet, leaving him open for a takedown.

if thales "didnt belong in the same cage as anderson" then we wouldnt have seen such a tentative anderson.

MMA is a sport that was initially built around finishing opponents.

God I miss the glory days when fights were declared draws if they went the distance, or when there wasn't time limits at all. The sport seems to be drifting farther and farther away from its initial premise.

Fuck Anderson Silva.

WAR NHB AND VALE TUDO

GNP4LIFE - MMA is a sport that was initially built around finishing opponents.



God I miss the glory days when fights were declared draws if they went the distance, or when there wasn't time limits at all. The sport seems to be drifting farther and farther away from its initial premise.



Fuck Anderson Silva.



WAR NHB AND VALE TUDO
No it wasn't, genius.



MMA was built around the concepts of style vs style and then the adaptation of blending styles together to become well rounded.



Are you sure that you're even watching MMA for the martials, or do you just want to see stand-and-bang numbskull bouts with a Bud in your hand?

 

Ausgepicht - 
CindyO -  Yeah... I thought Silva displayed amazing striking skills when he punched Thales in the foot a few times and then snuck in a few punches to the thigh from the stand up position.  Thales didn't even see those shots coming=)



Cindy
And Thales did what?

 


 Said, "ouch;)"



Cindy

HokutoShinken - 
CindyO -  Yeah... I thought Silva displayed amazing striking skills when he punched Thales in the foot a few times and then snuck in a few punches to the thigh from the stand up position.  Thales didn't even see those shots coming=)



Cindy
What a foolish thing to say. Thales ran away the entire fight trying to avoid nearly every engagement. There was no opportunity to land anything significant when Silva threw those shots. It was obviously something he did either out of disgust, or as an attempt to lure his opponent into an actual fight.



Did the UFC just throw Thales into this fight hoping to see him thoroughly demolished? If that's the case then they got exactly what they deserved. Here's something to ponder: Perhaps the current 9-0 UFC champion/one of the greatest P4P fighters in the world today (you know, one of those guys you make your living off of? The same guy who finished 7 of those 9 opponents?) isn't to blame for the lackluster main event. Maybe it was the crappy UFC matchmaking.



Next time match Silva up against a fighter who actually fights and I guarentee you he'll put on a great show.









1) Oh, STFU... you know you laughed;)



2) You shouldn't promise something you can't even spell=)





Cindy 

Dead Again - 
Ausgepicht - 
CindyO -  Yeah... I thought Silva displayed amazing striking skills when he punched Thales in the foot a few times and then snuck in a few punches to the thigh from the stand up position.  Thales didn't even see those shots coming=)



Cindy
And Thales did what?

 






crickets



The silence to this question is deafening.




Sorry-- we went bowling tonight and made it back in time for me to watch Desperate Housewives (not  a rerun this time) and then catch the second hour of Celebrity Apprentice (Herschel Walker was fired).



Then Momma called and wanted to talk about how Clint Black should have been kicked to the curb instead of HW and since she's one of my best  friends, our calls get llllllong sometimes.



I find it funny that you read so much into the lack of a response on a thread... especially on a Sunday night. I suggest you take up bowling=)



Cindy

K-Dub-"T" - 
Ausgepicht - 
CindyO -  Yeah... I thought Silva displayed amazing striking skills when he punched Thales in the foot a few times and then snuck in a few punches to the thigh from the stand up position.  Thales didn't even see those shots coming=)



Cindy
And Thales did what?

 


 


 

^^^ LMAO!!! That's awesome=)



Cindy

GNP4LIFE - MMA is a sport that was initially built around finishing opponents.

God I miss the glory days when fights were declared draws if they went the distance, or when there wasn't time limits at all. The sport seems to be drifting farther and farther away from its initial premise.

Fuck Anderson Silva.

WAR NHB AND VALE TUDO


A sport is not what you described above.

Wasa-B - A sport is not what you described above.

And a fight is not what we saw Saturday night.

KahL -
GNP4LIFE - MMA is a sport that was initially built around finishing opponents.

God I miss the glory days when fights were declared draws if they went the distance, or when there wasn't time limits at all. The sport seems to be drifting farther and farther away from its initial premise.

Fuck Anderson Silva.

WAR NHB AND VALE TUDO
No it wasn't, genius.

MMA was built around the concepts of style vs style and then the adaptation of blending styles together to become well rounded.

Are you sure that you're even watching MMA for the martials, or do you just want to see stand-and-bang numbskull bouts with a Bud in your hand?


No, MMA was meant to emulate the competitive nature of a real fight. Just look at the brutality of old school NHB and Vale Tudo, which were contests with virtually ZERO rules. Now obviously having a set of rules and regulations is important to promote fighter safety, but we still shouldn't lose touch of sport's ideals in that two competitors are engaging in a true battle of wills through the barest form of competition there is: fighting.

In a actual fight theres no dancing around until you 'get the decision.' You fight to finish your opponent before he finishes you. Any true patron fights to finish their opponent.

GNP4LIFE - 
KahL -
GNP4LIFE - MMA is a sport that was initially built around finishing opponents.



God I miss the glory days when fights were declared draws if they went the distance, or when there wasn't time limits at all. The sport seems to be drifting farther and farther away from its initial premise.



Fuck Anderson Silva.



WAR NHB AND VALE TUDO
No it wasn't, genius.



MMA was built around the concepts of style vs style and then the adaptation of blending styles together to become well rounded.



Are you sure that you're even watching MMA for the martials, or do you just want to see stand-and-bang numbskull bouts with a Bud in your hand?





No, MMA was meant to emulate the competitive nature of a real fight. Just look at the brutality of old school NHB and Vale Tudo, which were contests with virtually ZERO rules. Now obviously having a set of rules and regulations is important to promote fighter safety, but we still shouldn't lose touch of sport's ideals in that two competitors are engaging in a true battle of wills through the barest form of competition there is: fighting.



In a actual fight theres no dancing around until you 'get the decision.' You fight to finish your opponent before he finishes you. Any true patron fights to finish their opponent.


 Wrong again.



That was the purpose of Vale Tudo and style vs style fights. MMA came about once more rules were implemented to make things less bloody and less "brutal" than Vale Tudo.



However, even with your own example of emulating a real fight, not every bout ends with finality. Yes, this included Vale Tudo as well. Have you ever even been in a "real fight" before? Bare fists, kicks to the balls, etc.? Even they don't always work out with being "finished". Especially when there are two skilled people involved.



As it was said before, not every bout ends w/ finality because sometimes two fighters just don't match up well. As Anderson stated in his post fight interview with Joe, people just don't know what's happening inside the cage.

Ausgepicht - 
CindyO -  Yeah... I thought Silva displayed amazing striking skills when he punched Thales in the foot a few times and then snuck in a few punches to the thigh from the stand up position.  Thales didn't even see those shots coming=)



Cindy
And Thales did what?

 


 

I think a.silva's performance was excellent. Anyone who thinks that was a boring fight should try watching the full 90 minutes of sak/royce in 2000.

you said it right "PERFORMANCE" cause he sure didn't FIGHT, (and No thales didn't fight either!)