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I would never leave my school unless I either moved or I thought my instruction wasn't as good as it could be elsewhere.
My friend has a buddy who runs a gym 2 hours away, and we plan on taking a trip up there just to roll with his friend and his students just to hang out. The two gyms owners are friends though, so it wouldn't be a big deal.
"I would never leave my school unless I either moved or I thought my instruction wasn't as good as it could be elsewhere."
This better instruction argument pops up a lot. If everyone always went to the best instructor, then what hope is there for new schools with new instructors? How are they supposed to grow?
A school should bring a sense of family and a lot of the instruction comes from all the people there, your teammates, not just the head instructor.
There will always be a school with a better instructor.
^^^ and if there were school near you where you KNEW you would have better instruction and training partners for a similar price you wouldn't move to that school just because of loyalty?? 
Better instructor is a completely subjective term. Completely depends on your learning style, personality, goals etc.
That's why I never understood when instructors get all bent out of shape over a student leaving for another school. It is impossible to be everything to everyone who walks through your door.
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deepu -Jessy30 - ^^^ and if there were school near you where you KNEW you would have better instruction and training partners for a similar price you wouldn't move to that school just because of loyalty??
I've been with my team for 12 years. The people I know there are my family. To leave them is the same as leaving my family.
I train for the love of bjj and I get that with my team. I'm continuously improving and that is all that matters. Sure I might find better instruction next door, but then I would find even better instruction if I moved to say San Diego, then Brazil ... do you get my point?
It's about more than the money I pay.
Fucking editing is pissing me off!
Jessy30 - ^^^ and if there were school near you where you KNEW you would have better instruction and training partners for a similar price you wouldn't move to that school just because of loyalty?? <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
well, there is loyalty that develops due to close friendships and relationships, which is different.
then there is what you guys are calling loyalty, but really should be referred to "obligation." you have many obligations as a team mate - be respectful, help each other learn, and trust each other not to hurt each other.
as a team mate, i do think you have an obligation to help others in training, especially if you've received a lot of help yourself. do you have to follow through? no of coures not. but don't expect others to treat you very well as a team mate if you feel like you have no obligation to others. if your attitude is "i pay X, and receive Y. no strings attached." then i expect you will act that way, and thats no big deal. but don't expect me to treat you as anything but a customer. for example, today i spent a whole hour after class helping out a lower belt adjust a few positions. i help him because i know he would do that same for somebody else someday. but for people who consider this a business transaction, i would never spend an extra minute to help him.
cross training is not that such a bad thing i don't think. there are many good reasons to do so, and it depends on each situation, and as long as you're honest about it i don't see a huge problem with it.
What makes someone part of a team?
Is it more than just being a paying customer?
I honestly have no problem with it. What I usually see is people training at other schools for the sake of progression, and competition training with the team.
if someone of my gym trained at another gym i'd not roll with him anymore.
he would probably also be asked to make a choice between A or B. there' alot of personal attentions and it's basically a non profit since nobody makes money where I train and people teach for free and but their time in the students for the love of the sport.
i don't see any problems with training at a gym that is related to yours though.
Loyalty is a two way street.
I have trained at 3 different gyms. I left the first gym because I couldn't believe the instructor was increasing the fees by such an amount. The second gym was awesome and is the best gym I have trained at. I still view this as my gym however I moved to 1 hours travel time and I simply cannot make the commute on a regular basis.
The gym I currently train at is good but I still get the impression they are more after my money than anything else. Nice enough, good instruction but I think it is rude when they ask for my support (compete or help out at comps as well as support seminars). The reason I think it is rude is at the same time they ask me to pay for grading's. They ask a fair amount of money for a stripe on a belt. I have a young family and I train for fun and fitness. I see no reason to pay for a stripe on my belt.
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^^^ traitor!!!
Steve_73 - Loyalty is a two way street.
I have trained at 3 different gyms. I left the first gym because I couldn't believe the instructor was increasing the fees by such an amount. The second gym was awesome and is the best gym I have trained at. I still view this as my gym however I moved to 1 hours travel time and I simply cannot make the commute on a regular basis.
The gym I currently train at is good but I still get the impression they are more after my money than anything else. Nice enough, good instruction but I think it is rude when they ask for my support (compete or help out at comps as well as support seminars). The reason I think it is rude is at the same time they ask me to pay for grading's. They ask a fair amount of money for a stripe on a belt. I have a young family and I train for fun and fitness. I see no reason to pay for a stripe on my belt.
That is just silly, I have never heard of a school charging for stripes on a belt. Crazy. 
This won't end well. Seen it a million billion times. Those guys will eventually have to choose
JoejitsuMD -Steve_73 - Loyalty is a two way street.That is just silly, I have never heard of a school charging for stripes on a belt. Crazy. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
I have trained at 3 different gyms. I left the first gym because I couldn't believe the instructor was increasing the fees by such an amount. The second gym was awesome and is the best gym I have trained at. I still view this as my gym however I moved to 1 hours travel time and I simply cannot make the commute on a regular basis.
The gym I currently train at is good but I still get the impression they are more after my money than anything else. Nice enough, good instruction but I think it is rude when they ask for my support (compete or help out at comps as well as support seminars). The reason I think it is rude is at the same time they ask me to pay for grading's. They ask a fair amount of money for a stripe on a belt. I have a young family and I train for fun and fitness. I see no reason to pay for a stripe on my belt.
It is madness.
The instructors are nice enough but this is simply a revenue making move. These guys aren't being loyal at all to me.
I have always thought the stripe system to be absolutely bonkers. Learning moves that you might never use If there is an associated cost to it then it makes sense.
Can you imagine paying for 4 stripes and then a belt promotion fee. 5 fees for every belt.
I've trained at a place where they charge for stripes...I got out of there quick.
Here's the problem with this, if you never try new places you may not realize your getting subpar instruction. Example, we've got a couple schools with in a couple of hours that have brown belts teaching, that don't allow students to cross train and do not compete. Since I do a lot of cross training I have gotten the rare opportunity to train with the leaders of both these schools when I was a bluebelt. I'm just gonna say that I wasn't impressed. But their students will never know because they aren't allowed to cross train or compete. so this mentality definetly works for a subpar instructor.
That said, I will always remain loyal to my instructor because he has always been there for me in many was BJJ and non BJJ related. but he supports cross training with anyone and everyone because he is confident in his abilities.