gangsta101 - Mayweather is actually elusive, Machida just backpeddles. There's a reason why Machida doesn't have any gifs like thisBecause he's not a boxer but an MMArtist?
Ok seriously this debate needs to stop.
He has GREAT hands, awesome defense and countering.
In MMA he would get kicked to death, knee'd to death, taken down at will, GNPed, and submitted.
I did this in another thread but think about this:
Jose Aldo, Mike Brown, Faber, Frankie Edgar, Gray Manard, Diego Sanchez, Thiago Tavares, Tyson Griffin, Sean Sherk, Kenny Florian, BJ Penn.
Do you really believe in MMA Floyd beats anyone on that list?
billcosbiguez -gangsta101 - Mayweather is actually elusive, Machida just backpeddles.
so machida isn't eluding his attackers when he moves away. what is he doing?
maybe you don't know what elude means.
backpedaling is not a legitimate way to be elusive...head movement, shoulder rolls, footwork, circle...unless you're ali of course - but we saw what happened in Frasier 1
mikecard -billcosbiguez -gangsta101 - Mayweather is actually elusive, Machida just backpeddles.
so machida isn't eluding his attackers when he moves away. what is he doing?
maybe you don't know what elude means.
backpedaling is not a legitimate way to be elusive...head movement, shoulder rolls, footwork, circle...unless you're ali of course - but we saw what happened in Frasier 1
He isnt called "elusive" because he backpeddles you morons
People call him elusive because he pivots and uses angles to move away from his opponents and also uses tactical ways to move in on his opponent and fakes his moves.
If you're going to talk like an expert BE an expert. Learn about Karate. There are so many different aspects in MMA that boxers need to take into account e.g. takedowns, lower kicks etc.
ALSO...the cage is a lot different to the ring and there is NO footwear which completely changes the way you move.
Remember when Enzo Maccarinelli said he could KO any UFC heavyweight and DAVID HAYE (Who knocked Enzo the f##k OUT and sometimes trains in MMA) told him that MMA is a complete different game and he's an idiot by believing that.
Take the opinion of someone like Haye who is a multiple world champion in boxing and also trains in MMA. Dont ask Floyd Mayweather of all people.
FistoftheNorthStar -The point is that a lot of things that Boxing can use as an advantage in Boxing is a detriment in MMA unless you KNOW how to defend yourself utilizing MMA techniques. Floyd would plant his lead foot trying to get power and then catch an Arona that would kickfuck that leg for 4 months. I suggest you go back to whatever Boxing school you flunked out of, this is the wrong board to try to be a know-it-all when you know shit.ABE FROMAN - Boxers aren't elusive, they are elusive to OTHER BOXERS.
Hmmmm....let's see, putting all your weight on one leg to punch = fucked up leg in MMA.
Playing off the ropes = clitched and destroyed.
Covering up = double-legged into oblivion
Not enough movement in Boxing to deal with MMA'ers.
You have guys like Freddy Roach training Arlovski yet STILL Fedor knocked him out. Why? Because you can't Box against MMA'ers like you do against whatever the name is of the guy Floyd is fighting soon.
Well your clear boxing knowledge is unmistakable and you even admit you don't really know what your talking about. so if two people fought and one could only use boxing rules and the other could only use mma rules you think the mma fighter would win?ummmm NO SHIT. One leg, uh look at floyd hes got better footwork than anyone in mma and hes balanced on both all the time unless hes backing up defending. MMa fighters tend to lean too far forward or too far backward. And its okay to have the weight slighty on the front foot if your aggressive. Dont post about technique and skill unless you know what your talking about and have actually done these things.
PBF is a higher level striker(by ANY judging scale)than anyone who has ever even TRAINED extensively in mma much less competed.
Would he be competitive @his weight class in mma?
Of course not.
But he would outpoint any bigger mma fighter and KO any mma fighter his size or smaller in boxing.
A PBF,Ray Robinson,Pernell Whitaker,Ray Leonard,Pacquiao,Ali,etc level of boxing has never been seen in mma and never will be.
Bobby Lupo -mkou - Machida ain't elusive? Now I've heard it all.
he's elusive against palookas in MMA not guys like Hatton and Oscar. World of difference. Enzo Macca could KO any 205'er if he landed a shot.
So you admit he's elusive. Thanks.
yeah because you cannot box to the highest levels unless your opponent is willing to only box as well.
gangsta101 - Mayweather is actually elusive, Machida just backpeddles. There's a reason why Machida doesn't have any gifs like thisNope, just gifs like this.
what the fuck?
this is like who is the better arm wrestler but one person gets to use another arm.
Why do these thread keep coming up?
Mayweather has better boxing than ANYONE in MMA. He will get beat up by ALOT of people in an MMA.
Virtually anyone that is top 10 in their division that doesnt rely purely on punching.
Machida and Mayweather are both incredibly impressive. This thread is not.
^Last I knew in MMA it was called STRIKING, not BOXING.
I'm ashamed to have even posted in it.
Fuck...twice now.
Yes because freddy roach taught arlovski how to do a flying knee, which lead to an overhand right on fedors part.
ABE FROMAN - Boxers aren't elusive, they are elusive to OTHER BOXERS.
Hmmmm....let's see, putting all your weight on one leg to punch = fucked up leg in MMA.
Playing off the ropes = clitched and destroyed.
Covering up = double-legged into oblivion
Not enough movement in Boxing to deal with MMA'ers.
You have guys like Freddy Roach training Arlovski yet STILL Fedor knocked him out. Why? Because you can't Box against MMA'ers like you do against whatever the name is of the guy Floyd is fighting soon.
Yes because freddy roach taught arlovski how to do a flying knee, which lead to an overhand right on fedors part.
ABE FROMAN - Boxers aren't elusive, they are elusive to OTHER BOXERS.
Hmmmm....let's see, putting all your weight on one leg to punch = fucked up leg in MMA.
Playing off the ropes = clitched and destroyed.
Covering up = double-legged into oblivion
Not enough movement in Boxing to deal with MMA'ers.
You have guys like Freddy Roach training Arlovski yet STILL Fedor knocked him out. Why? Because you can't Box against MMA'ers like you do against whatever the name is of the guy Floyd is fighting soon.
Freddy Roach coached Arlovski to get KOed within seconds by Brett Rogers.
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horrible technique that mayweather talks about, he's windmilling, not using his body and rotation into every punch. So as far as he knows mma is all facets of combat combined, so when he sees this he probably thinks they train a few months in every art and then jump in the cage, try to understand his perspective, instead of ignorantly bashing it.
D0N Johnson - Freddy Roach coached Arlovski to get KOed within seconds by Brett Rogers.
Yes, because Freddie taught him how to do something completely stupid and not stick to the game plan which was working....
Lyoto via actually knowing how to kick, especially considering his size and reach advantage.
FSMA -D0N Johnson - Freddy Roach coached Arlovski to get KOed within seconds by Brett Rogers.
Yes, because Freddie taught him how to do something completely stupid and not stick to the game plan which was working....
Brett Rogers KOed Arlovski with his hands within seconds. Seconds.
MMA has much smaller gloves. the defense is completely different.
D0N Johnson -FSMA -D0N Johnson - Freddy Roach coached Arlovski to get KOed within seconds by Brett Rogers.
Yes, because Freddie taught him how to do something completely stupid and not stick to the game plan which was working....
Brett Rogers KOed Arlovski with his hands within seconds. Seconds.
MMA has much smaller gloves. the defense is completely different.
I'm thinking of a different fight. Can't remember which one though...AA got KOd because he did something dumb...
Anyway, you act as if Freddie Roach coaches a guy that said guy should win and if not, it's Freddie's fault. That is retarded. It has to do with the persons skill not Freddie's abilities as a coach, which speak of themselves.
FSMA -D0N Johnson -FSMA -D0N Johnson - Freddy Roach coached Arlovski to get KOed within seconds by Brett Rogers.
Yes, because Freddie taught him how to do something completely stupid and not stick to the game plan which was working....
Brett Rogers KOed Arlovski with his hands within seconds. Seconds.
MMA has much smaller gloves. the defense is completely different.
I'm thinking of a different fight. Can't remember which one though...AA got KOd because he did something dumb...
Anyway, you act as if Freddie Roach coaches a guy that said guy should win and if not, it's Freddie's fault. That is retarded. It has to do with the persons skill not Freddie's abilities as a coach, which speak of themselves.
Id say it is freddies fault..he trained with roach in that fight and none of it helped. It just goes to show you can train just train boxing and think you can win. Had Arlovski trained elswhere, I'm sure they wouldve taught him to take down rogers and submit his ass.
So MMA > boxing in every argument. MMA standup is not boxing and people have to realize that.Boxers wont do half their shit in MMA.