Machida's Counter: Is he ready for Jones?

Hey guys, I really like doing next day stuff, so I've whacked out a piece on Machida's performance. It was spectacular but the error that Jones exploited in Machida's stand up is still present. Been getting some interesting views on whether Machida's flailing lead arm that managed to catch Bader's shot was deliberate, and if it would have stood up to a more competent striker than Bader.



Hope you enjoy this one and don't mind clicking the link to finish it! 




Cheers,

Jack

 

 


 

UFC on Fox 4 may have been the card of the year and a return to form for the UFC after several awful cards. The night produced a war between Mauricio Rua and Brandon Vera which, aside from being entertaining, only served to show how far Shogun has slipped. Shogun's surgeries, wars and age have all slowed him down to the point where his poor form on the feet is getting him beaten up by fighters who don't belong in the top 20 of the division. We were also treated to another spectacular performance by Lyoto Machida last night as he starched Ryan Bader with the what seemed like the second significant punch that he threw. The performance was vintage Machida in that his opponent had no idea how to deal with him. 

 

I'll get the burning question out of the way first. Did Machida show anything that said a fight with Jon Jones would go any differently? No. The reason he was knocked down and subsequently guillotined by Jones was his diving in counters with his non-punching hand out of position. What did we see last night? A spectacular Lyoto Machida counter, with his non-punching hand out of position. If Jones establishes his kicks and then attacks Machida with the superman hook from the same stance, the exact same thing will happen because Machida's non-punching side is so open to attack. However it's worth taking a look at this counter and some of the counters that we have already examined to establish just how good Machida's timing and distancing is.

 

Today we'll compare Lyoto's same stance counter against Jones and against Bader.

 

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Against Ryan Bader, Lyoto Machida maintained the distance between them for almost the entire fight - aside from a brief clinch. Closing the distance is the hardest part in any striking discipline, and Machida's distancing forces opponents to cross an exaggerated distance to reach him. Even Mike Tyson got clipped coming in, and he, unlike Bader, had great head movement. Ryan Bader simply did nothing for the first round, except eat a slapping roundhouse kick from Machida, but in the second round finally lost his patience. He bum-rushed Machida with his right hand loaded at shoulder height and no head movement, in exactly the same way that Urijah Faber dropped Dominick Cruz. Unlike Cruz, however, Machida expects people to run at him and in fact wants it.

 


 

As Bader ran forward with his head up, Machida leaped forward (in the same stance) with a right straight.  Lyoto's lead arm was fortunately in the position to take the power off of Bader's punch, but Lyoto still got clipped, as you will notice in the bottom right frame. (G) (G) Clearly Machida is making more an effort to keep his non-punching hand up but Jones' rear hook would have connected just the same around Machida's lead arm. It was more Bader's punch moving in on a line rather than a curve that allowed Lyoto to block Bader's power. Of course it helps that Bader was running face first onto Machida's punch and has a suspect chin, but it is clear that Machida knows that dropping his non-punching hand got him knocked out against Jones.

 


 

My concern with Machida's rematch with Jones is the same as my gripe with Cain Velasquez's rematch with Junior dos Santos. One fight is not a long time to change fundamental errors. Machida showed very little improvement in his game in this fight. As much as fans will continue to talk about the couple of pounds that he lost for the fight, or the "new Machida", he showed exactly the same skill set that he has in other fights - Bader just wasn't a good enough opponent to have an answer.

 

Just as Cain Velasquez has received a rematch with Junior Dos Santos based on his taking Antonio Silva down in the opening seconds of their bout and pounding him out. Everyone knew Cain could wrestle - it's the glaring flaws in his striking that need improvement before a rematch with Dos Santos. Everyone knows that Machida is a great counter fighter - it's the holes in his kickboxing form that got him hurt against Jones, and there is little evidence that they have disappeared.

 

Continues with how Jon Jones caught Machida on the feet and what Machida needs to change at:

UFC on Fox 4 Judo Chop: Is Lyoto Machida Ready for Jon Jones? - Bloody Elbow

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 The real question being... IS Jon Jones ready for the wood chipper?


It was deliberate. If u watch him traneing his hands are up much higher. Phone Post

It was deliberate. If u watch him traneing his hands are up much higher. Phone Post

Nice, These are always a good read Phone Post

So is it a foregone conclusion in your mind that Jones beats Hendo? I'm hoping that you do a preview article of the striking for that fight and hopefully you see some way that Hendo can land the big shot and take Jones out.

kikenyoy - So is it a foregone conclusion in your mind that Jones beats Hendo? I'm hoping that you do a preview article of the striking for that fight and hopefully you see some way that Hendo can land the big shot and take Jones out.


I would really like to see Hendo win but i think that the chances on that are very,very slim. Jones has reach plus he won't have any problem taking Hendo down and ground and pounding him as Hendo has poor takedown defense, especially for being a former decorated wrestler.

kikenyoy - So is it a foregone conclusion in your mind that Jones beats Hendo? I'm hoping that you do a preview article of the striking for that fight and hopefully you see some way that Hendo can land the big shot and take Jones out.



 Got a couple of pieces coming up on Jones and Henderson. In truth Hendo's recent knockout streak has come from fighting overconfident fighters.



Fedor was basically rushing his opponents by the time he fought Hendo, Feijao has never had much but a right hand, and Shogun just stood in front of him. The truth is that circling away from Dan's right hand leaves him pretty impotent - it's the reason he was Decision Dan for so much of his career, the right hand has always been there.

 Jack I would love your input and vote in my poll



Poll Thread Machida v Anderson



It is a mythical match up of Anderson vs Machida at 195 catch. 5 rounds. 

 

I think you leave out the fact that Jones threw Machida down and elbowed him to death before dropping Machida. He was badly hurt and pretty much done before the end sequence where Jones dropped him. Phone Post

Bader was tailor made for Machida--he got dropped by Tito for fuck's sake. Jones will be an overwhelming favorite versus Machida, and for good reason

OnlyTheStrongSurvive -  I think you leave out the fact that Jones threw Machida down and elbowed him to death before dropping Machida. He was badly hurt and pretty much done before the end sequence where Jones dropped him. Phone Post


 Of course Lyoto got roughed up - but the hole that got him dropped was still there.



Check out the massive rear hook Jones landed from the same stance as Machida in the first round. It was clearly the gameplan to land it and he knocked Lyoto down with the second one he threw - having landed both.

Jack Slack - 
OnlyTheStrongSurvive -  I think you leave out the fact that Jones threw Machida down and elbowed him to death before dropping Machida. He was badly hurt and pretty much done before the end sequence where Jones dropped him. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;" />

 Of course Lyoto got roughed up - but the hole that got him dropped was still there.

Check out the massive rear hook Jones landed from the same stance as Machida in the first round. It was clearly the gameplan to land it and he knocked Lyoto down with the second one he threw - having landed both.<br type="_moz" />


I believe that was in the beginning second round, not the first.

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Love your analysis Jack. Keep up the good work. Phone Post

Lyoto is not ready for Jones, no one can defeat Jones right now. Anyone else stepping in there but Anderson does not deserve it. I just don't want Lyoto getting dropped like that again. Anyone but him :( Phone Post



Same result but fight will not happen anyway.

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For everybody who thinks that Machida's successes excuse his technical flaws, imagine how successful he would be WITHOUT them. He is successful in spite of dropping his hands, not because of it.

 He beat a wrestler who decided to be stupid and strike. not suprising at all