MMA in NY in 2011 - Act NOW

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Koepfer is now urging all members of the New York MMA community to start writing their representative. To this end, he is now hosting several template letters for MMA fans, related business owners, coaches, and promoters to concisely express support for mixed martial arts to their government.


Each template letter is written with blank spaces for interested parties to include their individual information and send to their State Senator or Assemblyman. Links to the different templates, below (USCombatSports.com):


Gym owner's letter: http://ussambo.com/mmany/gymletter.doc

Business owner's letter: http://ussambo.com/mmany/businessletter.doc

Promoter's letter: http://ussambo.com/mmany/promoterletter.doc

Fan's Letter: http://ussambo.com/mmany/fanletter.doc


To find out who your local Senator and Assembly person is and where to mail the letters, visit the following links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...State_Senators

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...State_Assembly


 

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for MSG !!!!!!!

SamboSteve is the man!! Everyone in the NYC area should definitely stop by his gym NY COMBAT SAMBO.

Yeah! Let's push a badly written law that will allow the commission to stick their noses into every gym and school in the state and tell them how to run them! yeah, that's the ticket!

 ttt

i would just say fuck it already...if they don't want mma in their state it's their loss. ufc and other mma orgs should just push this shit as much as they can in the states that do allow mma and overseas as well.

on the other hand, it would be funny to see spike lee sitting cage side, talking shit to the fighters then having his ass handed to him afterward...these fighters ain't reggie miller, ba-lee-dat!

if you are looking for stuff that is "wrong" you might add to the list the act of supporting a bill people have never read which will actually hurt people involved in MMA

god i missed lkfmdc.

What's your official position Jim, you actually like the bill that sambosteve is asking us to support? I know that you, unlike many, have actually read it. So do you think it's a good thing to let the commission in NY regulate the schools here?

you act like the commission would have the budget, staff or time to visit a school. but even if it did, why would that be a bad thing? they already have the authority to regulate boxing gyms.

and as of last week, that specific bill sambo steve is asking us to support doesn't have anyone sponsoring it, which likely means it's being re-written.

Why would it be a bad thing? Perfectly valid question, especially considering they have the same authority over boxing.

I would say that they understand and LIKE boxing. I do not believe that they either understand nor like MMA. While it might at this point be "hear say" (did I spell that right?) there has been rumblings that they think MMA is a "cash cow" just because the UFC is a big business

As you well know, while the UFC is huge, most schools and most fighters are NOT big business

Also, even if you assertion that they couldn't possibly have the budget to visit and enforce it with ALL schools, what about the few they would do it to? Surely (insert airplane joke here) you wouldn't advocate an unequal application of said standards

TTT

"I would say that they understand and LIKE boxing. I do not believe that they either understand nor like MMA."

thankfully, that would be a non-issue if and when they hire someone extremely knowledgeable and experiecned in mma to handle NY's mma stuff.


"While it might at this point be 'hear say' (did I spell that right?) there has been rumblings that they think MMA is a 'cash cow' just because the UFC is a big business.

As you well know, while the UFC is huge, most schools and most fighters are NOT big business."

heh. see above.


"Also, even if you assertion that they couldn't possibly have the budget to visit and enforce it with ALL schools, what about the few they would do it to? Surely (insert airplane joke here) you wouldn't advocate an unequal application of said standards."

i have no problem with the commission shutting down whatever substandard gyms it does come across. surely you don't advocate the existence of substandard gyms?

hell no. mma forced into NY is a bad idea. if they don't want the revenue then let them watch every other state and country benefit from it.. make their ass come to US... MMA AIN'T NO BITCH!

If, that is a BIG "IF" they found the equivalent of Nick Lembo, sure, not likely IMO....

Sans a Nick Lembo like figure, you are going to see some absurd stuff going on, and not to "substandard gyms" but to any gym visible enough that the commission can easily target them

Ross, I have read the 2009 bill. And I honestly never thought anyone would oppose it as you are. But, since you raise the issue, I posted the link here for people to read.

Ross, you are essentially saying that what the 2009 bill states is OK on paper, but you don't trust the commission to be properly educated about MMA or honorable in their actions.

Those are 2 very different objections. You would oppose a bill like the one from last year because the commission might target people unfairly? Not because the bill is bad?

It is because of this fear that people need to contact their representatives and speak up. The more our senators and assemblypersons know we are interested, the more they will be interested, and the more likely it won't be treated as simply a cash cow...as you state.

For those interested, here is the bill from last year. But, as SiouxNYC stated, it may not be the exact bill we see this year. And SiouxNYC, I do believe Assemblyman Bing is co-sponsoring the bill this time around (not sure about other co-sponsors). There are also several gym owners, coaches, etc, who will likely be speaking in Albany early next year.

2009 Bill:
http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld&bn=A02009%09%09&Summary=Y&Actions=Y&Votes=Y&Memo=Y&Text=Y

90% of the bill is what you would expect (licensing fees/requirements for fighters, promoters, judges, and referees, corners, use of unified rules, medical stipulations, etc...everything needed to run a professional MMA show). Anyone who has had to get licensed in any role in NJ or any other state will recognize the process.

I believe the portion Ross objects to is the portion on "Training Facilities" which discusses regulations to "protect the health and safety of professional combative sport participants in training, issue a license to operate a training facility providing contact sparring maintained either exclusively or in part for the use of professional combative sports participants."

You can read it youself (A 2009 C page 14 - 15), but essentially it requires facilities to have accessible first aid supplies; staff trained in CPR; phone numbers to the nearest hospital near the facility's phone; clean and sanitary facilities; adaquate ventilation and lighting; a no smoking policy; rings that pass inspection; compliance with fire codes; and ability to make the facility available to the commission for inspection if requested.

I don't see this as a major problem. In fact, I see it as a positive. I have (I bet many people here have) been in many "gyms" that don't even meet these basic criteria. This is no more than any business must show to get a license (restaurants, health clubs, schools, etc). As SiouxNYC said, if a club can't even meet these minimums, I don't have a problem with the commission demanding they do.

So, everyone, please read last year's bill before you send any letters in.

The one piece of the bill I don't like (or missing piece rather), is that it does not provide regulation for amateur MMA. But we need to start somewhere (even if I think Amateur regulation is essential for the growth of the sport)

from what i have been told someone very knowledgeable and experienced is being considered for a "mma specialist" role in the commission. also, provisions for amateur mma are being considered.

of course, with november's election of a new governor, questions exist as to if the current chairperson of the commission will keep her post...

SamboSteve - Ross, you are essentially saying that what the 2009 bill states is OK on paper,



NO, that is NOT what I am saying. Look at NJ. They have a great commission, well regulated events, yet they do NOT interfere and tax the schools/gyms

Again, "hear say", but at one point the NY commission thought that since MMA is "big business" each MMA facility in NYS should be paying several thousand dollars in "fees" to the commission

In theory, it's great to say "it requires facilities to have accessible first aid supplies; staff trained in CPR" etc but the bill is OPEN ENDED in the powers it gives the commission

Again, if you had someone like Nick Lembo in charge down there, I'd be a lot less concerned

BUT I have had direct experience with the NYS commission. They do not inspire trust

Of course, I also object(ed?) to the lack of amateur.....

for the love of god, it's "hearsay" when you're speaking of unverified rumor. it's "heresy" when you speak contrary to religious doctrine.

No one in this thread once wrote "heresy"...

And, unfortunately, while I don't know exactly what to call it, what I stated is a bitm ore than an unverified rumor. It was something that was actually said by a member of the commission to a non-member of the commission, but in an unofficial capacity