K-1 considered by Many to be pinnacle of stand up fighting.
Boxers are probubly better athletes, but they luck the skills to do well in K-1.
There were plently of descent boxers in K-1, and very few of them did well.
However latest K-1 even proved that MMA fightters standup not only good, but actually light years ahead of K-1.
Overeem takes out Badr Hari easily in the first round.
Overeem is considered to be Descent Standup guy in MMA, but hardly the best.
Badr Hari was just in the finals of K-1 GP, and is definatelly considered to be top fighter in K-1.
Kawajiri Koes his Very Solid K-1 opponent in first round.
Kawajiri is known to have some power, but mostly is a wrestler in MMA.
Musasi KOes Musashi in First Round. Musashi one of the most expirienced K-1 fighters and has many wins (and losses) against top opposition in K-1.
Musasi is not even a standup guy in MMA.
Most of his wins are desisions or submissions.
In addition to that.
Crocop beat a top K-1 fighter, Hong Man Choi, and Mahoef easily Koes unkockable Hunt. Both fights are all standup, and in both fights a guy with longer MMA Expirience wins.
Also, Lets not forget, that Semmy Schilt, who for many years was MMA fighter dominated K-1, and was their champion for 3 years stright.
So there you go, so much for sloppy striking skills of MMA fighters.
I wish someone would have made an awesome thread like this sooner!!
this thread is correct
"However latest K-1 even proved that MMA fightters standup not only good, but actually light years ahead of K-1."
I seriously hope you are joking. Some of the greatest "stand-up" fighters are fighting in K-1, including Buakaw Por Pramuk.
most MMA is not technical striking. Watch Frank Mir hit pads while warming up for his fight against Nog. He was basically throwing soccer kicks into the pads. And then to go out there and have the commentators say his stand-up looked amazing, come on....
The outcome of one night's event is not a strong back up to say that MMA is the pinnacle of stand up.
That is my only quarrel with how people describe some of the MMA'ers stand-up. What ever happened to the science and technicality of striking? Don't get me wrong, there are some great stand up fighters who actually take pride in making it look good as well as affective; Spencer Fisher, Sherk(lately), St. Pierre, A. Silva, to name a few.
Look at some of K-1 fighters:
Sauer
Krauss
Buakaw
Masato
BJ PENN and GSP would own all the K1 fighter you just listed in K1 with MMA gloves
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Bob sapp defeating enresto hoost did it for me.
":Crocop beat a top K-1 fighter, Hong Man Choi, and Mahoef easily Koes unkockable Hunt. Both fights are all standup, and in both fights a guy with longer MMA Expirience wins."
So a former K-1 Finalist beats a K-1 sideshow, and a K-1 regular beats a guy who last fought in MMA, and thats your evidence that MMA > K-1. Fucking brilliance.
Uh, half of MMA is the ground game. falls over from logic overload
K-1 > MMA (when it comes to standup)....sorry dudemar, one event doesn't mean that MMA fighters are better than K-1 fighters when it comes to standup.
Normally, I would vehemently disagree with "MMA is the pinnacle of standup, not K1"
But my god at this last event!!!
Mark Hunt KOed by Melvin Manhoef (easily 80 pounds lighter)
Mushashi KOed by Musasi (veteran vs. dude who looks like Geek Squad employee--no disrespect)
Overeem absolutely DESTROYING Badr Hari!!! The guy who just beat Peter Aerts like a child!
Can't say I agree with the thread 100%, but the last event was sure an anomaly.
if it was a single win by MMA fighter it wouldn't matter that much, but it was a bunch of easy wins by guys who are not even known for their killer standup.
Crocop beating Hong Man Choi, and Mahoef Koing Hunt are less impressive as both were MMA fights, and Crocop and Mahoef are known as standup fighters, however they add to the whole picture.
Add to that Shilts dominating K-1, Bob Sapp beating Hoost twice, and sloppy MMA striking looks rather effective against k-1 striking.
It shouldn't really be that way, but that's what results of the last event are.
no mma fighter could successfully compete in k-1 long term and win a wgp.
badr was burned out hed fought a lot in 08, it was his 4th fight of the month.
also mousasi started out as a boxer then got into muay thai then mma.
Didnt Frank Shamrock have an unbeaten record in K1 too?
EckY - no mma fighter could successfully compete in k-1 long term and win a wgp.
Except Semmy Shilts of course, who only did it 3 Times in the row.
I think he is the only guy in K-1 to be GP champion 3 times in a row.
badr was burned out hed fought a lot in 08, it was his 4th fight of the month.
That's why he got an easy fight against MMA fighter. I'm sure if you look hard you can find excuses for any performance.
also mousasi started out as a boxer then got into muay thai then mma.
And Musashi competed in K-1 only a bit longer then 10 years.
I guess a bit boxing training would be enough to overcome that.
Melvin Manhoef is the pinnacle of standup striking.
hey TS..where did your dumb ass come up with the fact that Mousasi's wins are mostly submission and decision?? Are you just an idiot looking for attention?? He has 14 KO-TKOs. 8 Subs, 2 Decisions.
And your thread is garbage and an obvious troll attempt. CC won how many Grand Prixs in K-1?? Yet he destroyed almost every mma fighter standing for years.
Obvious troll but ok.
I could literally not have been happier seeing Badr Hari get destroyed after he talked so much. The only down side is that I was hoping for a close fight so they could set up the mma sequel but I would be shocked if that happened now.
Kawajiri's win was impressive but his opponent has no chin, good leg kicks but that is about all.
Musashi is done, it is more common to see his fight end with him being knocked out than any other possible outcome at this point.
All that being said MMA standup does get bashed a little more than it should and a lot of the guys in K-1 do not seem to train as hard as they could/should. Still, in a stand-up only fight top K-1 guys are still going to beat MMA guys more often than not.