MMA vs Boxing

Mayweather said that MMA has never generated $250,000,000 off one event like he has.  Something that has been discussed before & all fans need to keep in mind, is the timing of everything.  



Ultimate Fighting Championship

UFC 30 took place on February 23, 2001 & was the 1st Zuffa promoted event & also was UFC's return to home video & PPV.  Also The Ultimate Fighter Season 1 first aired on Spike TV in 2005.



Now looking at Boxing's Biggest Stars:



Oscar De La Hoya


Oscar De La Hoya won a Gold Medal in the 1992 Olympics & on March 5, 1994 won his first pro title (WBO Junior Lightweight Championship) by 10th Round TKO over Jimmi Bredahl.  On July 29, 1994, De La Hoya won the WBO Lightweight Championship by 2nd Round KO over Jorge Paez.  On May 6, 1995, De La Hoya won the IBF Lightweight Championship by 2nd Round KO over Rafael Ruelas.  On June 7, 1996, De La Hoya won the WBC Junior Welterweight Championship by 4th Round TKO over Julio Cesar Chavez.  On April 12, 1997, De La Hoya won the WBC Welterweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over Pernell Whittaker.  On June 23, 2001, De La Hoya won the WBC Junior Middleweight Championship by 12 round decision over Javier Castillejo.  Oscar De La Hoya at age 28 was now the Youngest boxer to have ever won 5 World Championships.  On September 14, 2002, De La Hoya won the WBA Junior Middleweight Championship by 11th Round TKO over Fernando Vargas.  On June 5, 2004, De La Hoya won the WBO Middleweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over Felix Sturm.  On May 6, 2006, De La Hoya won the WBC Junior Middleweight Championship by 6th Round TKO over Ricardo Mayorga.



Shane Mosley


On August 2, 1997, Shane Mosley won his first pro title (IBF Lightweight Championship) by 12 Round Decision over Philip Holiday.  On June 17, 2000, Mosley won the WBC Welterweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over Oscar De La Hoya. On September 13, 2003, Mosley won the WBC Junior Middleweight Championship and the WBA Junior Middleweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over Oscar De La Hoya.  On February 10, 2007, Mosley won the Interim WBC Welterweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over Luis Collazo.  On January 24, 2009, Mosley won the WBA Welterweight Championship by 9 Round TKO over Antonio Margarito.



Floyd Mayweather Jr

Floyd Mayweather Jr won a Bronze Medal in the 1996 Olympics & on October 3, 1998 won his first pro title (WBC Super Featherweight Championship) by 8th Round TKO over Genaro Hernandez.  On April 20, 2002, Mayweather won the WBC Lightweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over Jose Luis Castillo.  On June 25, 2005, Mayweather won the WBC Light Welterweight Championship by 6th Round TKO over Arturo Gatti.  On April 8, 2006, Mayweather won the IBF Welterweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over Zab Judah.  On November 4, 2006, Mayweather won the WBC Welterweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over Carlos Baldomir.  On May 5, 2007, Mayweather won the WBC Junior Middleweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over Oscar De La Hoya.



Manny Pacquiao

On December 4, 1998, Manny Pacquiao won his first pro title (WBC Flyweight Championship) by 8th Round TKO over Chartchai Sasakul.  On June 23, 2001, Pacquiao won the IBF Super Bantamweight Championship by 6th Round TKO over Lehlohonolo Ledwaba.  On March 15, 2008, Pacquiao won the WBC Super Featherweight Title by 12 Round Decision over Juan Manuel Marquez.  On June 28, 2008, Pacquiao won the WBC Lightweight Championship by 9th Round TKO over David Diaz.



Roy Jones Jr

Roy Jones Jr won a Silver Medal in the 1988 Olympics & on May 22, 1993, won his first pro title (IBF middleweight Championship) by 12 Round Decision over Bernard Hopkins.  On November 18, 1994, Jones won the IBF Super Middleweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over James Toney.  On November 22, 1996, Jones won the Interim WBC Light Heavyweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over Mike McCallum.  On June 5, 1999, Jones Unified the WBA, WBC & IBF Light Heavyweight Championships by 12 Round Decision over Reggie Johnson.  On March 1, 2003, Jones won the WBA Heavyweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over John Ruiz.  On November 8, 2003, Jones won the WBC Light Heavyweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over Antonio Tarver.



Erik Morales

On September 7, 1997, Erik Morales won his first pro title (WBC Super Bantamweight Championship) by 11th Round KO over Daniel Zaragosa.  On February 19, 2000, Morales won the WBO Super Bantamweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over Marco Antonio Barrera.  On September 2, 2000, Morales won the Interim WBC Featherweight Championship by 7th Round TKO over Kevin Kelley.  On February 17, 2001, Morales won the WBC featherweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over Guty Espadas.  On November 16, 2002, Morales won the WBC Featherweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over Paulie Ayala.  On February 28, 2004, Morales won the WBC Super Featherweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over Jesus Chavez.  On July 31, 2004, Morales won the IBF Super Featherweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over Carlos Hernandez.



Marco Antonio Barrera

On March 31, 1995, Marco Antonio Barrera won his first pro title (WBO Junior Featherweight Championship) by 12 Round Decision over Daniel Jimenez.  On October 31, 1998, Barrera won the WBO Junior Featherweight Championship by 3rd Round TKO over Richie Wenton.  On August 6, 2000, Barrera won the WBO Junior Featherweight Championship by 1st Round KO over Luis Freitas.  On November 27, 2004, Barrera won the WBC super featherweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over Erik Morales.  On September 17, 2005, Barrera won the IBF Super Featherweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over Robbie Peden.



My Point

Now looking at all those numbers, Boxing's biggest stars & biggest revenue producing stars were all established before UFC had rebuilt itself.  Now Mayweather vs Marquez may make more money than UFC 103: Franklin vs Belfort but it seems as if fight fans are just finishing their investment of these great fighters.  Lets name off the new breed of great fighters:  Miguel Cotto, Paul Williams, Andre Ward & Yuriorkis Gamboa.  Many Casual fans don't know any of these fighters & ones that do usually will have only heard of Miguel Cotto.  There are big fighters outside the United States but they don't have much exposure in the United States & wont make money here & without exposure, United States boxing fans have a hard time finding up & coming talent in other countries.



While the future of Boxing in the United States looks very dark, it is Boxing itself that is to blame.  You can only watch the best in the world on PPV & then it will be reaired on HBO or Showtime 1 week after the fight happens.  Due to that, Boxing has very little exposure to the american public.  EliteXC weather good or bad was on CBS & had lots of exposure.  UFC is on Spike TV & PPV & for the big events that you don't purchase, they are shown on Spike TV usually a few months after the PPV aired.  Dana White claims that it is the fact that boxing isn't giving the fights that fight fans want to see & I believe that is partially true, But the true noose around boxing's neck is the ammount of exposure one sport is getting over the other.  Boxing needs to fix this or they may fade out to the new Juggernaut of Combat Sports.     

just the amusing death throes of a dinosaur

insightful post by the OP.

GladiatorGannon - insightful post by the OP.


 Thank You

And if we want to talk about 2 huge fighters in Europe who are supposedly retired at the moment but were huge draws outside the United States.



Joe Calzaghe

On October 11, 1997, Calzaghe won his first pro title (WBO Super Middleweight Championship) by 12 Round Decision over Chris Eubank. On March 4, 2006, Calzaghe won the IBF Super Middleweight Championship by 12 Round decision over Jeff Lacy. On November 3, 2007, Calzaghe won the WBA Super Middleweight Championship & the WBC Super Middleweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over Mikkel Kessler.



Ricky Hatton

On June 4, 2005, Ricky Hatton won his first pro title (IBF Light Welterweight Championship) by 11th Round TKO over Kostya Tszyu. On November 26, 2005, Hatton won the WBA Light Welterweight Championship by 9th Round KO over Carlos Maussa. On May 13, 2006, Hatton won the WBA Welterweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over Luis Collazo. On January 20, 2007, Hatton won the IBF Junior Welterweight Championship by 12 Round Decision over Juan Urango.



My Point

Those are 2 huge fighters in Europe which both were established before the UFC reinvented themselves & since UFC 30th, there have only been UFC 38, 70, 72, 75, 80, 85, 89, 93, 95 & 99 that were held outside of North America. UFC 70 seems to be the start of the push for exposure outside of North America & UFC 70 aired on April 21, 2007. The Ultimate Fighter Season 9 Aired in 2009. UFC just recently signed a deal to air free fights on ESPN UK starting with UFC 101 & will be airing fights on British Network's Five & Five USA is the channel that airs The Ultimate Fighter in the UK.



Give it time & we'll see what happens in the UK. 

Monsters Ball - 
GladiatorGannon - insightful post by the OP.




Agreed. Very well thought out. Thanks for sharing it.


 Thank You

The self destruction of boxing might actually be a good thing for boxing in the long run. ShoBox does a great job of showing great fights/fighters that aren't past there prime. And the Middleweight tournament they put together is pretty exciting. Getting rid of guys like Mayweather who dodge the best guys in there division and get all the fame and glory is the first step.

 Did you get this from boxingscene, or sherdog?

Anyway, boxing isn't dead or dying. Arguably, boxing is much bigger worldwide than MMA.

Sorry, but MMA is a fad IMO, the douches with Tap out shirts will eventually find something else.



Boxing will always have it's loyal fanbase.

Am I the only one that thinks this UFC may outsell Mayweather?

BrazilianBomber -  Did you get this from boxingscene, or sherdog?

Anyway, boxing isn't dead or dying. Arguably, boxing is much bigger worldwide than MMA.

Sorry, but MMA is a fad IMO, the douches with Tap out shirts will eventually find something else.



Boxing will always have it's loyal fanbase.



Believe it or not, I actually wrote this myself & posted it on sherdog first & then posted it on here.  I got the info from HBO Boxing.com, about.com & ufc.tv.