I really need to work on my guard passing techniques. Has anyone seen both of these guard passing sets? I know Bolo trains under Joe, but I haven't heard much about Joe's tapes. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.
Yeah, I watched him on a tape with Roy Harris and found him difficult to understand. I'm not sure what instructional it was as it has been years since I watched it.
I've seen Joe tapes and personally I've never really had a problem understanding Joe.
"Yeah, I watched him on a tape with Roy Harris and found him difficult
to understand. I'm not sure what instructional it was as it has been
years since I watched it."
Roy Harris has a seminar video that Joe did about passing the guard.
Getting a tape from Bolo, is like getting it from Joe, after Bolo as spent
hours/days/weeks/years learning it, disecting it and putting it together
in to well oiled system.
Does anyone know if there is a difference in the material which is presented? Are they showing the same passes?
Thanks SC. You seem to like BOLO's tapes better? I've often found it easier to learn from an advanced student than from the teacher because they can explain things on my level. Sometimes advanced teachers forget how little their students(me)know. If that's what you're getting at then I think MJ's tapes are what I'm looking for.
I like his teaching method, and he is very good at being able to break
things down and explain things.
I have both, i like both and both need to be studied.
I think if you get Mikes, understand it, learn to put it to use, then you go to Joes.
Mike really stresses fundamentals that must be learned
(see the discussion on fundamentals), if you dont understand and adhere to these fundamentals, Joe's info will be not as advantagous.
Its like learning abc's then small words, phrases, sentences.
I have both. Before I got them I use to try every new guard passing technique I saw. Sometimes I'd pass and sometimes I wouldn't. The problem with other instructionals or other instructors is they do not break things down. They tell to put your hands here your feet here etc. but they don't tell you why. When I got Bolo's it opened my eyes and I immediately knew why I was sometimes having a problem passing a good guard. I have both his original set and the revised version. When he told me they were different, I bought the revised version. After training with the revised set, as soon as I would get to posture my partners would say "fuck this, I'm not even going to waste my time playing closed guard with you" They would complement me and say "dude you are strong" I would tell them it has nothing to do with strength, just angles. Anyway I could go on and on about how UGP1 REALLY helped me out. For the record, I don't know Bolo, never trained with him (but you can bet if I ever get a chance I will take a private)don't work for him etc. etc.
I also have both.
I like Bolo's for the step-by-step approach. It is well detailed and he is good at explaining WHY each component is important.
I like Joe's for the sheer mastery he shows. In the 5-part series from Island, he shows how to get the leg-on-shoulder pass from EVERYWHERE (butterfly guard, standing vs. open guard, half guard, submission counters, etc.). I did not find him hard to understand on this series.
In Joe's seminar tape edited by Roy Harris, he is tougher to understand, because it was not taped in a studio. However, the subtitles added by Roy were a big help. I can still understand 80%+ of what Joe says. I like this tape for the butterfly passes and the scissor sweep passes.
I have a review up for Joe's Island series on my website: www.modernselfdefense.com. Reviews are linked from the "Downloads" page now.
~Chris
I also have JM tapes and I don't have a problem understanding him. but then I have a thick accent too.
I have both, also.
I think one of the biggest differences is in the approach.
Jen teaches a systematic approach.
Joe M. is more disjointed, but tons of info.
Get both if you can! :)
Bolo's for the foundation, Moreira's for the elaboration later.
Bolo for his striking good looks. Moreira for his shnakey moves.
Thanks for all the insight. I think I'll start with BOLO's set first( and move on to Joe's next.
"I have both. Before I got them I use to try every new guard passing technique I saw. Sometimes I'd pass and sometimes I wouldn't. The problem with other instructionals or other instructors is they do not break things down"
That has been my problem...the passes work good until I use them on higher level grapplers(higher than me at least). I just can't seem to stay a step ahead of their counters.
I have to run for now. The peewee wrestling league awaits...Looking forward to checking out the review TT. Thanks again.