Most unsuccessful ?
lightest?
Pretty much anyone so who wouldn't win UFC 1 that was in the UFC ?
As far as lightest goes, I'm pretty sure BJ Penn would have won UFC 1. But for the most part, there aren't a lot of small fighters who are going to be able to deal with Shammy's strength and wrestling. The opposite is true of Pat Smith: Demetrius Johnson isn't taking him down, and what would happen on the feet would be terrifying.
UFC 1 wasn't a lineup of total tomato cans. It was just different.
anyone...joanna most def would wjn
I dont think Any 125er wins their just too small so Joanna def does not win
I would have LOVED to see Chris Leben in UFC 1.
Lightest? Probably Aldo (well rounded striking, power, BB).
Dodson would be fun to watch against some UFC1 guys.
Couldn't stop thinking about this, would add:
Mac Danzig
Hayato Sakurai
Sherman Pendergarst
Heath Herring
No female fighter would win UFC1 not Cyborg, Not Gabi, Not Joanna none of them behave.
MMA MELEE - anyone...joanna most def would wjn
Fucking LOL. Imagine her in the cage with Gerard Gordeau. It'd be OJ Simpson's wet dream.
I would've like to see Nate quarry even in the tournaments with like don frye, tank abbot
Im sure Nate woulda got down w da sickness
Royce was 170 with high-level BJJ (but not exactly Mundials Champion level) and little else. He was a good athlete but not world class.
DJ at Openweight, sssuming he actually gets to train ahead of time, is about 140-145. His all-around skills are light years beyond Royce's. Pat Smith may have 80-90 lbs. on Mighty Mouse but he does not keep it standing, and even if he somehow does, he gets tagged all to fuck before he gasses. Royce gets boxed up on his feet. Shamrock gets swept and submitted. This has proven over and over and over again, ironically dating back to UFC: a giant gap in skill > huge gap in size.
The game is very, very, very different than it was 24 years ago.
Chromium -Royce was 170 with high-level BJJ (but not exactly Mundials Champion level) and little else. He was a good athlete but not world class.
DJ at Openweight, sssuming he actually gets to train ahead of time, is about 140-145. His all-around skills are light years beyond Royce's. Pat Smith may have 80-90 lbs. on Mighty Mouse but he does not keep it standing, and even if he somehow does, he gets tagged all to fuck before he gasses. Royce gets boxed up on his feet. Shamrock gets swept and submitted. This has proven over and over and over again, ironically dating back to UFC: a giant gap in skill > huge gap in size.
The game is very, very, very different than it was 24 years ago.
Delusional. There isn't any setting on earth where DJ beats UFC 1 Ken Shamrock. Ken might literally toss that little man out of the cage (especially since it was shorter until Tank/Worsham).
AnthonyWeiner -Chromium -Royce was 170 with high-level BJJ (but not exactly Mundials Champion level) and little else. He was a good athlete but not world class.
DJ at Openweight, sssuming he actually gets to train ahead of time, is about 140-145. His all-around skills are light years beyond Royce's. Pat Smith may have 80-90 lbs. on Mighty Mouse but he does not keep it standing, and even if he somehow does, he gets tagged all to fuck before he gasses. Royce gets boxed up on his feet. Shamrock gets swept and submitted. This has proven over and over and over again, ironically dating back to UFC: a giant gap in skill > huge gap in size.
The game is very, very, very different than it was 24 years ago.
Delusional. There isn't any setting on earth where DJ beats UFC 1 Ken Shamrock. Ken might literally toss that little man out of the cage (especially since it was shorter until Tank/Worsham).
Yes, because he used his size and strength advantage so well against Royce Gracie.
Dude, he had 60 lbs. on Royce, and still got schooled on the ground. In the 5 minute window before he would have utterly gassed, Ken would have been schooled in grappling no matter what he tried. Furthermore, wading in to try and land a big punch or knee would have just resulted in him eat a non-stop barrage of counterpunches by the fastest man in the sport.
Do you have any idea how big the skill gap you're talking about is? Pride did many more of these big man / little man matches, many with much larger size disparities than this, and it just kept proving the point over and over again. A big size advantage does not trump a massive difference in skill.
Interesting thread. IN
Chromium -AnthonyWeiner -Chromium -Royce was 170 with high-level BJJ (but not exactly Mundials Champion level) and little else. He was a good athlete but not world class.
DJ at Openweight, sssuming he actually gets to train ahead of time, is about 140-145. His all-around skills are light years beyond Royce's. Pat Smith may have 80-90 lbs. on Mighty Mouse but he does not keep it standing, and even if he somehow does, he gets tagged all to fuck before he gasses. Royce gets boxed up on his feet. Shamrock gets swept and submitted. This has proven over and over and over again, ironically dating back to UFC: a giant gap in skill > huge gap in size.
The game is very, very, very different than it was 24 years ago.
Delusional. There isn't any setting on earth where DJ beats UFC 1 Ken Shamrock. Ken might literally toss that little man out of the cage (especially since it was shorter until Tank/Worsham).Yes, because he used his size and strength advantage so well against Royce Gracie.
Dude, he had 60 lbs. on Royce, and still got schooled on the ground. In the 5 minute window before he would have utterly gassed, Ken would have been schooled in grappling no matter what he tried. Furthermore, wading in to try and land a big punch or knee would have just resulted in him eat a non-stop barrage of counterpunches by the fastest man in the sport.
Do you have any idea how big the skill gap you're talking about is? Pride did many more of these big man / little man matches, many with much larger size disparities than this, and it just kept proving the point over and over again. A big size advantage does not trump a massive difference in skill.
Jesus. Are you on drugs?
There is a reason Johnson cuts to his tiny weiny weight division.
He would be praying to beat those old school guys TODAY let alone back then with fuck all rules and no point scoring bullshit.
Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit. Lol
Chromium -AnthonyWeiner -Chromium -Royce was 170 with high-level BJJ (but not exactly Mundials Champion level) and little else. He was a good athlete but not world class.
DJ at Openweight, sssuming he actually gets to train ahead of time, is about 140-145. His all-around skills are light years beyond Royce's. Pat Smith may have 80-90 lbs. on Mighty Mouse but he does not keep it standing, and even if he somehow does, he gets tagged all to fuck before he gasses. Royce gets boxed up on his feet. Shamrock gets swept and submitted. This has proven over and over and over again, ironically dating back to UFC: a giant gap in skill > huge gap in size.
The game is very, very, very different than it was 24 years ago.
Delusional. There isn't any setting on earth where DJ beats UFC 1 Ken Shamrock. Ken might literally toss that little man out of the cage (especially since it was shorter until Tank/Worsham).Yes, because he used his size and strength advantage so well against Royce Gracie.
Dude, he had 60 lbs. on Royce, and still got schooled on the ground. In the 5 minute window before he would have utterly gassed, Ken would have been schooled in grappling no matter what he tried. Furthermore, wading in to try and land a big punch or knee would have just resulted in him eat a non-stop barrage of counterpunches by the fastest man in the sport.
Do you have any idea how big the skill gap you're talking about is? Pride did many more of these big man / little man matches, many with much larger size disparities than this, and it just kept proving the point over and over again. A big size advantage does not trump a massive difference in skill.
I'm with you , skill over size . DJ is light years ahead of anyone in UFC 1. He would use distance and footwork to get the wins.
Personally, I'd love to see TKZ in UFC 1
Dj wins UFC 1
Who's the oldest person who --in their current shape-- wins UFC 1?
Mark Coleman
Tank Abbot
Chuck Norris?
Mhorad -Chromium -AnthonyWeiner -Chromium -Royce was 170 with high-level BJJ (but not exactly Mundials Champion level) and little else. He was a good athlete but not world class.
DJ at Openweight, sssuming he actually gets to train ahead of time, is about 140-145. His all-around skills are light years beyond Royce's. Pat Smith may have 80-90 lbs. on Mighty Mouse but he does not keep it standing, and even if he somehow does, he gets tagged all to fuck before he gasses. Royce gets boxed up on his feet. Shamrock gets swept and submitted. This has proven over and over and over again, ironically dating back to UFC: a giant gap in skill > huge gap in size.
The game is very, very, very different than it was 24 years ago.
Delusional. There isn't any setting on earth where DJ beats UFC 1 Ken Shamrock. Ken might literally toss that little man out of the cage (especially since it was shorter until Tank/Worsham).Yes, because he used his size and strength advantage so well against Royce Gracie.
Dude, he had 60 lbs. on Royce, and still got schooled on the ground. In the 5 minute window before he would have utterly gassed, Ken would have been schooled in grappling no matter what he tried. Furthermore, wading in to try and land a big punch or knee would have just resulted in him eat a non-stop barrage of counterpunches by the fastest man in the sport.
Do you have any idea how big the skill gap you're talking about is? Pride did many more of these big man / little man matches, many with much larger size disparities than this, and it just kept proving the point over and over again. A big size advantage does not trump a massive difference in skill.
Jesus. Are you on drugs?
There is a reason Johnson cuts to his tiny weiny weight division.
He would be praying to beat those old school guys TODAY let alone back then with fuck all rules and no point scoring bullshit.
Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit. Lol
He's in that tiny weight division because the talent pool is so much deeper today, are you completely fucking daft?
I have to assume you haven't actually been watching this sport for very long and know nothing about its origins (or how it works currently for that matter).
There's literally thousands of professional MMA fighters today, roughly around 10,000 active pros right now per the last FightMatrix census, and they have the benefit of nearly 25 years of figuring out what does and does not work in real fights. This was not the case in UFC 1, which by design was a showcase for Gracie Jiu Jitsu.
It's ironic that you're actively ignorant of the very lesson UFC 1 taught everyone: extreme skill trumps size. Furthermore, those dudes were not even what people today would consider true MMA fighters, lack of rules or not. With the possible exception of Ken Shamrock, they were all single discipline fighters.
Go watch Genki Sudo, a natural Featherweight, make Butterbean look like a clown. Go watch Masakatsu Ueda, a small Bantamweight, smack around Royler Gracie. There's any number of fights in Pride and Dream and elsewhere where a smaller dude just tooled a much larger dude, and in none of them was the smaller dude as good as Mighty Mouse.
But hey, if you wanna keep believing some fantasy, whatever helps you sleep at night. Lol